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this

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is somewhere in the skies with ryan

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welcome everyone to somewhere in the

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skies and this

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is an interview we actually had to

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reschedule

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for very very good reasons but i'm so

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happy it's finally happening

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we're going to be talking all about the

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latest stuff going on in the ufo world

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in 2021 and we're going to be talking

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about his new book

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which for once is not about ufos

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so that's going to be exciting it's

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about another topic that is near and

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dear to my heart

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and that is pop punk in emo music

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so i hope you'll nerd out with us for

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that part of the conversation but first

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let's talk ufos with the one the only

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mike tamante how's it going brother

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great man thanks again for being

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flexible and rescheduling and like i was

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telling you all fair it's always good to

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talk to you whether we're recording or

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not it's always fun so i always enjoy

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the opportunity just to to chat yeah

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exactly we got plenty to chat about but

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um

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you know elephant in the room let's talk

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about why we had to reschedule

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you just had your first child how's it

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going over there man how is it being

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dad mike demonte uh it's the best and

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like we were talking about off the air

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every everything like stops it's like

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screw ufos screw everything else

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um it's like i was describing it to uh

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who's i talking about one of my friends

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and like you know when you watch a movie

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and like in the movie like things got

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slow-mo or like if you're watching like

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superhero movie there's like

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or science fiction there's like a rip in

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like as soon as the baby comes out

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that's what it felt like it felt like

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the earth like changed like if you

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league like guys really when the flash

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that's what it felt like happened like

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it was a crazy feeling and i think

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kind of like phenomena and you know

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paranormal stuff

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it's a similar feeling like a

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game-changing type of thing where it

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there's like a ripple in the world like

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it's crazy like people i guess who

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you know who've claimed to you know

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that leave it to mike devonte to compare

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having a child to something paranormal

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or supernatural i love it brother

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because then the listeners would get

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bored hearing me talk about babies for

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welcome to baby hour right now

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congratulations man that is

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amazing and again the perfect excuse

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for a rescheduling so we're gonna have

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fun hopefully get your mind off uh

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the baby for just a little bit today um

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actually asked you this question um it's

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kind of the origin question that i ask

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everyone but i don't know if we ever

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start paying attention so as soon as i

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observer ufos and as well so that really

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we're definitely gonna touch on in a

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something that you ran by me um you know

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the rendlesham guy to many out there i

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half of what other researchers know but

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i have looked heavily into the case from

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um but you found something really

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interesting which we'll get to

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but before we do that my man um can you

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give us kind of a brief

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overview i guess of uh the trilogy of

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books of punk rock and ufos

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your work

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about this trilogy of books that you

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so it's funny it never really intended

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to be a trilogy i just wanted to write

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one book and go from there and

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their website and also did some writing

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too for like features and sports so i do

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so going into writing a book was kind of

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this is actually really a compliment

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of take off my journalist hat

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culmination of all of them

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uh stories from from the bible mythology

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book because you know someone picks up

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that book and reads something it's like

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oh monologue that's like

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leslie kane and rob blumenthal because

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sean cahill kevin day uh tom melange i

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heavily responsible for kind of where

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ufos are at today

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cinematic universe industry and i mean

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you had a um an instagram post recently

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about a pyramid

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and lo and behold now that's bleeding

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into the ufo world yet again and also

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the eternals trailer everyone is

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you got this huge kind of you know

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triangular ufo coming in and

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really i guess i don't know much about

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the eternals to be honest but to me

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it screamed kind of this cargo cult

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which you talked about in one of your

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books

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as well so we're seeing these things

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and that's what your third book really

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is again these stories have been around

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for centuries and they just

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they get repackaged over and over again

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and you know a lot of people who always

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advocate this has been happening forever

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right through films and stuff it's a

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slow disclosure a lot of people don't

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but it's the reality it's you know none

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of this nothing's new this has been

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happening forever

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so you know i think it's good that we

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teach people to start looking for these

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levels like i didn't see the eternal

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trailer i saw your post with a poster

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that's how far behind when you said

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trailer i was like oh there's a trailer

290
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for it i need to watch this

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um but all i know about the eternals is

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it's very similar to dc's version

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of new gods it's basically like older

294
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gods before

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everything so i'm really looking forward

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to it as soon as i saw your post with

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the poster with the triangle craft i was

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like oh

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but now that you said there's a trailer

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i need to watch that just to

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throw behind them online well

302
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understandably brother yeah i mean we're

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moving into what is it phase four now of

304
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marvel which makes me feel so old

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now that i think back to when iron man

306
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first came out i think they just had

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like the

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uh what was it not was it the 20th

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anniversary

310
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i hope that's not true maybe 15 yeah

311
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yeah yeah which made me definitely feel

312
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old but look at how far we've come it's

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amazing

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um back to the strength of those

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characters right and all those

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you grow with them and this is one thing

317
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that i kind of like mentioned in the

318
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book is how as we grow and progress

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these these gods or whatever you want to

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call them you know like thor

321
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um you know poseidon all these things

322
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you hear mythology they grow

323
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but they're they're seen differently now

324
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thor exists in our pop culture where

325
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back then he may have existed as a real

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person or as a as folklore or as

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represented in a statue or a painting

328
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now it's it's common pop culture

329
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everyone knows who thor is right yeah

330
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that's such a good point

331
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yeah and then you go to the other side

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with dc and you've got

333
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you know zack snyder who a lot of people

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don't you know respect as a filmmaker

335
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or a storyteller what have you but the

336
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dude knows how to shoot

337
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a film and also he really touched on

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that

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and i believe it was batman v superman

340
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the whole gods aspect which you covered

341
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in the book as well so

342
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yeah yeah absolutely that's i think

343
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that's kind of pertinent now with you

344
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know the justice league you know um

345
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sorry coming out a few months ago which

346
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i was so stoked for

347
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and i literally enjoyed it but that's

348
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something that a lot of people were

349
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digging him on from the start was his

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darker tone but it's like

351
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it's it's true if superman existed if an

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alien being came down

353
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they would not the masses would not

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embrace him

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with open arms there would there be

356
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debates there would be you know i mean

357
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you you'll just what goes on in our

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country on a daily basis and it's like

359
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it's insane to me so imagine what would

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happen if an alien being came down from

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the sky

362
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and that kind of ties into what a lot of

363
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people are talking about with the threat

364
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aspects of ufos right it doesn't

365
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necessarily mean

366
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a physical threat but just this idea you

367
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know what is this thing coming down from

368
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the sky we don't know what it is

369
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we don't know its intentions and so

370
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forth such a good point yeah we're

371
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seeing it reflected

372
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in today's mainstream coverage of ufos

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and

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you know these individuals who believe

375
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that this is it this is

376
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disclosure it's happening the aliens are

377
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going to land or

378
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something's going on which we will

379
00:12:15,430 --> 00:12:13,360
discuss we got so much to catch up on

380
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but um let's talk about this article you

381
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mentioned uh

382
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rendelsham now we know the stories

383
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of you know the guys who went into the

384
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forest and saw

385
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um a craft you know peniston john

386
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burroughs

387
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uh deputy base commander colonel

388
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charles halt um these stories have been

389
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around for a while now

390
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we've heard them we've heard every you

391
00:12:40,710 --> 00:12:36,800
know i guess

392
00:12:42,310 --> 00:12:40,720
version of them but there's another side

393
00:12:44,710 --> 00:12:42,320
story to all of this that

394
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i didn't know about and that actually

395
00:12:48,550 --> 00:12:46,480
someone came to you with

396
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so can you tell us a little about this

397
00:12:51,110 --> 00:12:50,639
development in the rendelsham case and

398
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uh

399
00:12:54,470 --> 00:12:53,360
how this article came to be how did this

400
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happen

401
00:12:57,910 --> 00:12:56,320
yeah so anytime someone comes to us with

402
00:12:59,269 --> 00:12:57,920
something no matter who they are you

403
00:13:00,150 --> 00:12:59,279
know we always take it with a grain of

404
00:13:01,430 --> 00:13:00,160
salt because of

405
00:13:03,430 --> 00:13:01,440
right you know our journalistic

406
00:13:04,949 --> 00:13:03,440
standards just the fact that

407
00:13:06,790 --> 00:13:04,959
everything we present is very

408
00:13:09,190 --> 00:13:06,800
extraordinary to begin with

409
00:13:10,150 --> 00:13:09,200
so you really have so this is like

410
00:13:12,230 --> 00:13:10,160
you're the first person

411
00:13:13,910 --> 00:13:12,240
i told about it's like let me run it by

412
00:13:15,990 --> 00:13:13,920
ryan you know he has a really heat

413
00:13:17,590 --> 00:13:16,000
you're more experienced in ufos and you

414
00:13:19,670 --> 00:13:17,600
really have a good meter you know like

415
00:13:20,870 --> 00:13:19,680
you filter you know what you choose to

416
00:13:21,590 --> 00:13:20,880
put on your show which you choose to

417
00:13:24,949 --> 00:13:21,600
cover

418
00:13:26,069 --> 00:13:24,959
is very um uh distinct so i think you

419
00:13:27,030 --> 00:13:26,079
have a good filter of what to run and

420
00:13:28,629 --> 00:13:27,040
what not to run

421
00:13:29,670 --> 00:13:28,639
so you're one of the first uh people i

422
00:13:31,430 --> 00:13:29,680
reached out to i reached out to you

423
00:13:33,030 --> 00:13:31,440
alejandro rojas as well saying hey

424
00:13:35,030 --> 00:13:33,040
have you ever heard anything about this

425
00:13:36,470 --> 00:13:35,040
um just because i was you know you're

426
00:13:37,350 --> 00:13:36,480
you're generally skeptical when you hear

427
00:13:38,710 --> 00:13:37,360
these things especially when someone

428
00:13:40,710 --> 00:13:38,720
comes to you i'm like

429
00:13:41,990 --> 00:13:40,720
i'm not big i'm not cnn you know i'm not

430
00:13:45,590 --> 00:13:42,000
a big outlet

431
00:13:47,910 --> 00:13:45,600
but um in this case you know it's weird

432
00:13:49,590 --> 00:13:47,920
you know you think that you know our

433
00:13:53,030 --> 00:13:49,600
little ufo club is small this is

434
00:13:54,710 --> 00:13:53,040
obviously really big um and it's i swear

435
00:13:56,150 --> 00:13:54,720
the more you talk to people the more

436
00:13:58,310 --> 00:13:56,160
someone knows someone who's seen

437
00:14:00,150 --> 00:13:58,320
something or has done something or

438
00:14:02,230 --> 00:14:00,160
worked somewhere so it was that sense

439
00:14:03,750 --> 00:14:02,240
where it was like a friend a friend

440
00:14:04,389 --> 00:14:03,760
mentioned something in passing about a

441
00:14:05,670 --> 00:14:04,399
relative

442
00:14:07,670 --> 00:14:05,680
like oh she totally talked to this

443
00:14:08,949 --> 00:14:07,680
person i was like okay and

444
00:14:10,790 --> 00:14:08,959
really not you know we're just really

445
00:14:12,230 --> 00:14:10,800
kind of vague about it oh yeah you know

446
00:14:13,750 --> 00:14:12,240
he's seen a lot in his day working for

447
00:14:15,189 --> 00:14:13,760
the military and you know i'm just

448
00:14:15,990 --> 00:14:15,199
thinking okay cool it's gonna be you

449
00:14:18,470 --> 00:14:16,000
know maybe some cool

450
00:14:20,470 --> 00:14:18,480
sightings or like you know but it turned

451
00:14:21,990 --> 00:14:20,480
into being something much more

452
00:14:23,590 --> 00:14:22,000
um maybe that's i don't know i live in

453
00:14:24,870 --> 00:14:23,600
houston so it's the fourth largest city

454
00:14:25,829 --> 00:14:24,880
so maybe that's something to do with it

455
00:14:28,150 --> 00:14:25,839
i don't know

456
00:14:29,829 --> 00:14:28,160
um so i got in contact with this person

457
00:14:30,470 --> 00:14:29,839
and i want to reveal too much because it

458
00:14:33,430 --> 00:14:30,480
is a

459
00:14:35,509 --> 00:14:33,440
friend of a friend but i made sure i let

460
00:14:37,910 --> 00:14:35,519
him know hey look i need to you know

461
00:14:39,350 --> 00:14:37,920
do a background all these all these

462
00:14:40,870 --> 00:14:39,360
things cover my butt just because the

463
00:14:41,670 --> 00:14:40,880
story sounds like so extraordinary and

464
00:14:43,189 --> 00:14:41,680
he was totally cool

465
00:14:44,790 --> 00:14:43,199
you know presented his military records

466
00:14:46,790 --> 00:14:44,800
and everything they all checked out

467
00:14:48,230 --> 00:14:46,800
um and everything he said in terms of

468
00:14:49,910 --> 00:14:48,240
like you know when he served or where he

469
00:14:52,470 --> 00:14:49,920
served all lined up

470
00:14:53,670 --> 00:14:52,480
um but yeah he had a lot to say you know

471
00:14:55,590 --> 00:14:53,680
about ufos

472
00:14:57,269 --> 00:14:55,600
and it's a lot of stuff in general just

473
00:14:58,310 --> 00:14:57,279
you know really i felt like i was

474
00:15:00,629 --> 00:14:58,320
talking to one of us

475
00:15:02,150 --> 00:15:00,639
someone is really open-minded towards

476
00:15:04,949 --> 00:15:02,160
this it's just what as well as

477
00:15:05,750 --> 00:15:04,959
society and how how stuff works you know

478
00:15:07,269 --> 00:15:05,760
um so

479
00:15:09,030 --> 00:15:07,279
long story short this person was a

480
00:15:12,230 --> 00:15:09,040
communications official

481
00:15:14,790 --> 00:15:12,240
and was stationed in germany at the time

482
00:15:16,470 --> 00:15:14,800
and part of this communications uh where

483
00:15:17,750 --> 00:15:16,480
you'd be getting stuff across a wire it

484
00:15:20,629 --> 00:15:17,760
was almost kind of like

485
00:15:21,430 --> 00:15:20,639
email right or a different form of

486
00:15:23,110 --> 00:15:21,440
communication

487
00:15:24,150 --> 00:15:23,120
or not like a telegraph but something

488
00:15:25,670 --> 00:15:24,160
more you know a little more

489
00:15:27,269 --> 00:15:25,680
technologically advanced

490
00:15:28,470 --> 00:15:27,279
so back then so he was he would see

491
00:15:29,670 --> 00:15:28,480
things all the time that would come

492
00:15:31,269 --> 00:15:29,680
across

493
00:15:33,590 --> 00:15:31,279
um you know this wire basically it's

494
00:15:36,550 --> 00:15:33,600
like a newswire but it was only for

495
00:15:38,310 --> 00:15:36,560
um it was clearance that was beyond top

496
00:15:40,550 --> 00:15:38,320
secret so it was like

497
00:15:41,829 --> 00:15:40,560
very few people were saying this stuff

498
00:15:43,910 --> 00:15:41,839
and i mean to him

499
00:15:46,069 --> 00:15:43,920
it was that was the weirdest thing he he

500
00:15:47,430 --> 00:15:46,079
saw in all his time there was it was a

501
00:15:49,509 --> 00:15:47,440
rental some incident

502
00:15:50,470 --> 00:15:49,519
and the fact that and this is a big pull

503
00:15:53,910 --> 00:15:50,480
of the story

504
00:15:54,550 --> 00:15:53,920
was that somebody didn't return and when

505
00:15:55,990 --> 00:15:54,560
i heard that

506
00:15:57,269 --> 00:15:56,000
about immediately immediately like

507
00:15:58,069 --> 00:15:57,279
something went off my head i'm like wait

508
00:15:59,910 --> 00:15:58,079
i don't remember

509
00:16:01,189 --> 00:15:59,920
because i said to myself i know enough

510
00:16:01,749 --> 00:16:01,199
about this case like i know that there

511
00:16:03,189 --> 00:16:01,759
you know

512
00:16:04,310 --> 00:16:03,199
the five w's of it i know what

513
00:16:05,829 --> 00:16:04,320
renaissance is about but i never heard

514
00:16:09,590 --> 00:16:05,839
anything about that

515
00:16:10,629 --> 00:16:09,600
um so and that automatically struck me

516
00:16:12,790 --> 00:16:10,639
as something that i needed

517
00:16:14,389 --> 00:16:12,800
we need to talk more about and he says

518
00:16:16,310 --> 00:16:14,399
he doesn't know if the person eventually

519
00:16:17,189 --> 00:16:16,320
came back but for the communication that

520
00:16:19,670 --> 00:16:17,199
he got

521
00:16:20,629 --> 00:16:19,680
and has heard the person never responded

522
00:16:23,030 --> 00:16:20,639
and the way he

523
00:16:23,670 --> 00:16:23,040
and i kept saying abduction abduction

524
00:16:25,430 --> 00:16:23,680
and

525
00:16:27,670 --> 00:16:25,440
he was like well i don't think it was

526
00:16:31,110 --> 00:16:27,680
abduction more rather it was something

527
00:16:31,990 --> 00:16:31,120
that was purposeful rather like a trade

528
00:16:34,150 --> 00:16:32,000
or

529
00:16:35,910 --> 00:16:34,160
someone willingly got on one of the

530
00:16:37,269 --> 00:16:35,920
ships that's what he was just that's the

531
00:16:38,150 --> 00:16:37,279
conclusion he was drawing from what he

532
00:16:40,150 --> 00:16:38,160
read

533
00:16:41,350 --> 00:16:40,160
uh but like he's seen a lot and like he

534
00:16:42,550 --> 00:16:41,360
said you know he's read

535
00:16:44,790 --> 00:16:42,560
it's interesting because he's read all

536
00:16:47,350 --> 00:16:44,800
the tom clancy books and all the tom

537
00:16:49,430 --> 00:16:47,360
clancy books are very military accurate

538
00:16:50,470 --> 00:16:49,440
so it's just another kind of example of

539
00:16:53,590 --> 00:16:50,480
kind of this you know

540
00:16:55,749 --> 00:16:53,600
fiction non-fiction stuff blurring but

541
00:16:57,269 --> 00:16:55,759
yeah so the big thing was kind of how

542
00:16:59,509 --> 00:16:57,279
there's there's people that have to have

543
00:17:02,550 --> 00:16:59,519
access to some of these

544
00:17:05,270 --> 00:17:02,560
um events and some of these

545
00:17:06,549 --> 00:17:05,280
military codes right and then they were

546
00:17:07,750 --> 00:17:06,559
able to write about it

547
00:17:09,110 --> 00:17:07,760
so it was interested in him that you

548
00:17:10,789 --> 00:17:09,120
know tom clancy was able to kind of get

549
00:17:12,150 --> 00:17:10,799
all this military stuff but

550
00:17:13,669 --> 00:17:12,160
yeah for him you know this is the

551
00:17:14,390 --> 00:17:13,679
weirdest thing he saw the fact that

552
00:17:17,189 --> 00:17:14,400
someone

553
00:17:18,390 --> 00:17:17,199
you know didn't come back and we start

554
00:17:19,909 --> 00:17:18,400
talking more and just

555
00:17:21,909 --> 00:17:19,919
you know he knows about the case but

556
00:17:22,789 --> 00:17:21,919
he's not necessarily like a you know a

557
00:17:24,150 --> 00:17:22,799
ufo buff

558
00:17:26,309 --> 00:17:24,160
like he knows everything is going on you

559
00:17:27,669 --> 00:17:26,319
know nowadays because it's on the news

560
00:17:28,710 --> 00:17:27,679
other than that he wouldn't go looking

561
00:17:30,310 --> 00:17:28,720
for it you know he always kind of

562
00:17:31,350 --> 00:17:30,320
believed in ufos and there's

563
00:17:32,950 --> 00:17:31,360
yeah there's probably something out

564
00:17:34,150 --> 00:17:32,960
there but you know he didn't actively

565
00:17:35,830 --> 00:17:34,160
pursue it

566
00:17:37,190 --> 00:17:35,840
so when he read this when this came

567
00:17:38,310 --> 00:17:37,200
across his wire the fact that somebody

568
00:17:41,750 --> 00:17:38,320
maybe didn't come back

569
00:17:43,990 --> 00:17:41,760
it just struck him as odd um and he

570
00:17:46,150 --> 00:17:44,000
the really interesting thing too is that

571
00:17:48,390 --> 00:17:46,160
he's more surprised more people

572
00:17:49,510 --> 00:17:48,400
who've seen it haven't talked about it

573
00:17:51,110 --> 00:17:49,520
um

574
00:17:53,029 --> 00:17:51,120
just be i don't know i don't know if it

575
00:17:54,310 --> 00:17:53,039
was a you know

576
00:17:55,750 --> 00:17:54,320
i don't know if it was a clearance thing

577
00:17:56,950 --> 00:17:55,760
or people were afraid but it was just

578
00:17:58,470 --> 00:17:56,960
huge shock because

579
00:17:59,990 --> 00:17:58,480
obviously a lot of people would need to

580
00:18:02,870 --> 00:18:00,000
know clearance

581
00:18:04,310 --> 00:18:02,880
saw this come across so that was the the

582
00:18:04,950 --> 00:18:04,320
big takeaway from that apparently

583
00:18:07,029 --> 00:18:04,960
somebody

584
00:18:08,470 --> 00:18:07,039
for some reason we don't know you know i

585
00:18:10,070 --> 00:18:08,480
i call it a deduction but

586
00:18:11,990 --> 00:18:10,080
we don't know what it was but for some

587
00:18:14,470 --> 00:18:12,000
reason this person didn't return

588
00:18:15,669 --> 00:18:14,480
so yeah that was that was huge and um

589
00:18:17,110 --> 00:18:15,679
just talking to him he's really

590
00:18:18,390 --> 00:18:17,120
open-minded about

591
00:18:20,549 --> 00:18:18,400
i just pay attention to what's going on

592
00:18:22,470 --> 00:18:20,559
in the world as well and other stuff and

593
00:18:24,070 --> 00:18:22,480
he thinks the ufo phenomena and this is

594
00:18:25,669 --> 00:18:24,080
something we've talked about too is

595
00:18:27,669 --> 00:18:25,679
he thinks this is going to be a gradual

596
00:18:29,510 --> 00:18:27,679
thing just like everything else

597
00:18:31,350 --> 00:18:29,520
and he's a history buff so he made a

598
00:18:34,549 --> 00:18:31,360
great point anything that happens

599
00:18:35,669 --> 00:18:34,559
in history happens over time any change

600
00:18:36,390 --> 00:18:35,679
whether it's like a civil rights

601
00:18:38,230 --> 00:18:36,400
movement or

602
00:18:39,909 --> 00:18:38,240
a political movement it happens over

603
00:18:40,710 --> 00:18:39,919
time and he thinks what's happening in

604
00:18:42,310 --> 00:18:40,720
this country now

605
00:18:43,830 --> 00:18:42,320
is is representative of what's happened

606
00:18:44,870 --> 00:18:43,840
in the past things have gradually

607
00:18:46,789 --> 00:18:44,880
changed over time

608
00:18:47,909 --> 00:18:46,799
you're not going to get disclosure

609
00:18:49,029 --> 00:18:47,919
overnight he didn't say the word

610
00:18:50,950 --> 00:18:49,039
disclosure but

611
00:18:52,230 --> 00:18:50,960
basically you know the uf ufo phenomena

612
00:18:53,270 --> 00:18:52,240
it's not going to happen overnight and

613
00:18:54,310 --> 00:18:53,280
that's what people have been telling us

614
00:18:56,070 --> 00:18:54,320
for years

615
00:18:57,430 --> 00:18:56,080
and we've kind of refused it we refused

616
00:18:58,710 --> 00:18:57,440
to believe it

617
00:19:00,470 --> 00:18:58,720
and you know when people say these

618
00:19:03,270 --> 00:19:00,480
things take time and you know a lot of

619
00:19:05,110 --> 00:19:03,280
ufo people scoff at it and say oh that's

620
00:19:06,470 --> 00:19:05,120
that's just bs that's you know you guys

621
00:19:07,990 --> 00:19:06,480
are stalling or whatever but

622
00:19:10,230 --> 00:19:08,000
we're seeing it happen now and it's

623
00:19:11,669 --> 00:19:10,240
crazy in 2017

624
00:19:13,909 --> 00:19:11,679
although to the stars people were saying

625
00:19:15,430 --> 00:19:13,919
it's happening now and all this stuff

626
00:19:17,830 --> 00:19:15,440
really does take time and it's just

627
00:19:20,230 --> 00:19:17,840
you know it's just crazy to kind of see

628
00:19:23,750 --> 00:19:20,240
that come to fruition

629
00:19:24,549 --> 00:19:23,760
yeah it is a process i i am firmly with

630
00:19:26,710 --> 00:19:24,559
uh the

631
00:19:28,390 --> 00:19:26,720
person you interviewed and and with you

632
00:19:31,270 --> 00:19:28,400
man i i truly believe that

633
00:19:32,070 --> 00:19:31,280
um we're getting there maybe slowly but

634
00:19:34,070 --> 00:19:32,080
surely i

635
00:19:35,270 --> 00:19:34,080
also don't believe you know that this

636
00:19:37,750 --> 00:19:35,280
pending uap

637
00:19:40,310 --> 00:19:37,760
report is going to be grand disclosure

638
00:19:42,950 --> 00:19:40,320
of any kind which we will discuss

639
00:19:44,470 --> 00:19:42,960
but um that's so fascinating again just

640
00:19:45,190 --> 00:19:44,480
when you think you know everything about

641
00:19:47,350 --> 00:19:45,200
randallstrom

642
00:19:48,310 --> 00:19:47,360
um something else comes along which is

643
00:19:50,630 --> 00:19:48,320
very important

644
00:19:52,390 --> 00:19:50,640
all of the key witnesses are mostly

645
00:19:55,190 --> 00:19:52,400
still alive so i

646
00:19:57,350 --> 00:19:55,200
i i agree with someone like uh david

647
00:19:58,470 --> 00:19:57,360
clarke who is a ufo skeptic who's

648
00:20:00,950 --> 00:19:58,480
covered randall

649
00:20:02,710 --> 00:20:00,960
rendell shem a lot um that we're very

650
00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:02,720
fortunate to still have a lot of the

651
00:20:05,830 --> 00:20:04,320
people involved with this

652
00:20:07,590 --> 00:20:05,840
and that it might become the most

653
00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:07,600
important case even past

654
00:20:11,669 --> 00:20:10,320
roswell so um i think that's super

655
00:20:13,510 --> 00:20:11,679
fascinating that you

656
00:20:15,029 --> 00:20:13,520
you've added another layer to the

657
00:20:17,110 --> 00:20:15,039
mystery um

658
00:20:18,630 --> 00:20:17,120
you have to wonder too someone like uh

659
00:20:21,430 --> 00:20:18,640
john burroughs who said

660
00:20:23,430 --> 00:20:21,440
he experienced some sort of missing time

661
00:20:24,710 --> 00:20:23,440
during this event so are we dealing with

662
00:20:26,950 --> 00:20:24,720
some sort of

663
00:20:27,909 --> 00:20:26,960
abduction scenario i don't want to go

664
00:20:30,070 --> 00:20:27,919
that far

665
00:20:31,270 --> 00:20:30,080
but also the other intriguing part you

666
00:20:33,510 --> 00:20:31,280
mentioned is uh

667
00:20:34,870 --> 00:20:33,520
this person was never seen or heard from

668
00:20:35,830 --> 00:20:34,880
again at least according to the

669
00:20:38,470 --> 00:20:35,840
individual

670
00:20:40,310 --> 00:20:38,480
you interviewed um we know for a fact

671
00:20:42,950 --> 00:20:40,320
that after these events

672
00:20:43,510 --> 00:20:42,960
everyone involved all the personnel were

673
00:20:45,590 --> 00:20:43,520
like

674
00:20:46,870 --> 00:20:45,600
shipped off to germany shipped off to

675
00:20:49,270 --> 00:20:46,880
japan like

676
00:20:50,390 --> 00:20:49,280
anything to get everyone separated so

677
00:20:52,870 --> 00:20:50,400
that they didn't

678
00:20:54,310 --> 00:20:52,880
come together get their story straight

679
00:20:56,310 --> 00:20:54,320
and go public with it

680
00:20:57,990 --> 00:20:56,320
um so you truly have to wonder what

681
00:21:00,630 --> 00:20:58,000
happened to that individual

682
00:21:02,470 --> 00:21:00,640
we may possibly never know but um that's

683
00:21:03,270 --> 00:21:02,480
super fascinating man what do you take

684
00:21:04,789 --> 00:21:03,280
away from it

685
00:21:07,190 --> 00:21:04,799
do you think um we're dealing with

686
00:21:09,909 --> 00:21:07,200
aliens abducting people in rendelsham or

687
00:21:10,470 --> 00:21:09,919
what do you think overall of the case i

688
00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:10,480
don't know

689
00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:12,480
what's really fascinating to me is you

690
00:21:14,070 --> 00:21:13,760
know i did some more research on it

691
00:21:15,430 --> 00:21:14,080
because

692
00:21:17,669 --> 00:21:15,440
it's been a while since i've read it i

693
00:21:19,830 --> 00:21:17,679
was watching the steve greenwald

694
00:21:21,270 --> 00:21:19,840
um video the what's it called the newer

695
00:21:23,590 --> 00:21:21,280
post thing he does um

696
00:21:24,789 --> 00:21:23,600
from the basement oh stephen greenstreet

697
00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:24,799
yeah yeah

698
00:21:28,230 --> 00:21:26,400
i'm sorry yeah i was in the green shirt

699
00:21:29,990 --> 00:21:28,240
yeah it was with him and nick pope and

700
00:21:31,270 --> 00:21:30,000
i totally forgot that the the whole jim

701
00:21:32,549 --> 00:21:31,280
pennison thing with the with the

702
00:21:35,750 --> 00:21:32,559
coordinates

703
00:21:37,750 --> 00:21:35,760
and hornets landing towards like the

704
00:21:38,789 --> 00:21:37,760
the irish folklore version of atlantis

705
00:21:41,510 --> 00:21:38,799
and certain you know

706
00:21:42,630 --> 00:21:41,520
the nazakha lines and pyramids like that

707
00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:42,640
was mind-blowing to me it was

708
00:21:45,110 --> 00:21:43,760
interesting

709
00:21:46,950 --> 00:21:45,120
the person i interviewed for the book i

710
00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:46,960
mean enough for the book for the story

711
00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:48,400
i didn't really ask him what he knew

712
00:21:51,909 --> 00:21:50,320
much about the case but he believed the

713
00:21:52,710 --> 00:21:51,919
same thing pennison does where he thinks

714
00:21:55,110 --> 00:21:52,720
that they're

715
00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:55,120
uh it's it's coming from time it's a

716
00:21:57,750 --> 00:21:56,400
time traveling element

717
00:21:59,669 --> 00:21:57,760
that's what he thinks that's personally

718
00:22:01,110 --> 00:21:59,679
his opinion he said multiple times don't

719
00:22:02,789 --> 00:22:01,120
quote me on this as fact

720
00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:02,799
this is just my opinion based on you

721
00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:04,960
know my personal beliefs and what i read

722
00:22:08,630 --> 00:22:06,960
he says you know he thinks it's

723
00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:08,640
something coming from a different time

724
00:22:12,149 --> 00:22:09,840
i thought it was really fascinating that

725
00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:12,159
he said that and that kind of goes with

726
00:22:15,750 --> 00:22:14,400
what jim pence believes as well so

727
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:15,760
there's a lot of really interesting

728
00:22:19,029 --> 00:22:16,320
things

729
00:22:19,990 --> 00:22:19,039
um he believed based upon what he read

730
00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:20,000
that kind of go with

731
00:22:25,909 --> 00:22:23,120
the key witnesses as well yeah i

732
00:22:26,549 --> 00:22:25,919
i oh no please but i was gonna say like

733
00:22:27,909 --> 00:22:26,559
you know

734
00:22:29,190 --> 00:22:27,919
you mentioned me i'm covering like a new

735
00:22:31,110 --> 00:22:29,200
part of it i thought it was gonna be

736
00:22:33,909 --> 00:22:31,120
huge like i was gonna blow up

737
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:33,919
it's just so funny i was like dude

738
00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:35,520
welcome to you following me

739
00:22:39,190 --> 00:22:37,919
like just what do you think and that's

740
00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:39,200
it's frustrating because

741
00:22:43,909 --> 00:22:42,240
again i knew i know you took the time

742
00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:43,919
to vet this individual like we were

743
00:22:46,549 --> 00:22:45,840
talking you know through text and

744
00:22:47,830 --> 00:22:46,559
everything like

745
00:22:49,029 --> 00:22:47,840
all right make sure you have all your

746
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:49,039
ducks in a row which i don't have to

747
00:22:51,590 --> 00:22:50,400
tell you you're the one who went to

748
00:22:55,029 --> 00:22:51,600
journalism school i

749
00:22:57,270 --> 00:22:55,039
am a quote-unquote according to some

750
00:22:59,270 --> 00:22:57,280
people some of the people out there who

751
00:23:01,190 --> 00:22:59,280
uh don't think too highly of my work but

752
00:23:02,710 --> 00:23:01,200
that's a story for another time

753
00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:02,720
um you actually went to school for

754
00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:04,480
journalism you know what you're doing so

755
00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:05,120
i know

756
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:07,120
you would not have put this out if you

757
00:23:08,950 --> 00:23:08,480
didn't firmly believe there was

758
00:23:11,909 --> 00:23:08,960
something

759
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:11,919
to it and again your your source is not

760
00:23:14,789 --> 00:23:13,840
saying this person was sucked up into a

761
00:23:19,669 --> 00:23:14,799
ufo

762
00:23:22,230 --> 00:23:19,679
history that

763
00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:22,240
there have been exchange programs

764
00:23:25,750 --> 00:23:22,960
something

765
00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:25,760
like uh you know here let us study your

766
00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:28,000
craft and you can take one of ours or

767
00:23:31,990 --> 00:23:30,080
let us study your entity and you can

768
00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:32,000
take one of ours so

769
00:23:36,310 --> 00:23:34,240
it's crazy man yeah it's crazy because

770
00:23:38,070 --> 00:23:36,320
like you know it really is

771
00:23:39,510 --> 00:23:38,080
five degrees of kevin bacon is that is

772
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:39,520
that remember

773
00:23:43,110 --> 00:23:42,000
because even before this like maybe a

774
00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:43,120
month or two before

775
00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:46,080
another friend of mine reached out to me

776
00:23:49,029 --> 00:23:47,200
on facebook

777
00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:49,039
saying hey i know you're in ufos you

778
00:23:53,029 --> 00:23:50,880
know i read your stuff sometimes

779
00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:53,039
uh i got something to tell you you can't

780
00:23:56,549 --> 00:23:54,000
tell anyone like oh

781
00:23:58,310 --> 00:23:56,559
come on like don't do this and he's

782
00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:58,320
basically telling me that yeah

783
00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:00,240
this person knows someone close to them

784
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:03,120
who's working on the report right now

785
00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:05,039
and i'm like oh my god can i plea he's

786
00:24:08,230 --> 00:24:06,320
like nope i can't even tell you

787
00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:08,240
this person's name i just want to tell

788
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:09,520
you that

789
00:24:13,269 --> 00:24:12,320
uh it's happening and it's you know it's

790
00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:13,279
and even said you

791
00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:15,039
the person even said to me that you know

792
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:17,200
this person he tries to discuss it with

793
00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:17,760
this person

794
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:20,400
it's always kind of like like side eyes

795
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:22,320
like the response kind of like a like a

796
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:23,279
wink and nod

797
00:24:26,710 --> 00:24:24,960
type of thing just because so much of

798
00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:26,720
this stuff is so

799
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:29,679
uh classified but i ended up doing some

800
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:30,240
research

801
00:24:33,269 --> 00:24:32,080
and i found out who the person is but i

802
00:24:33,669 --> 00:24:33,279
can't say anything i can't reach out to

803
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:33,679
them

804
00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:35,039
because i get this other person in

805
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:37,120
trouble so it's crazy that they're like

806
00:24:40,390 --> 00:24:38,320
somebody who's working on this report

807
00:24:42,549 --> 00:24:40,400
right now i'm separated

808
00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:42,559
by by one other person literally one

809
00:24:45,669 --> 00:24:44,480
person yeah it's good but it's like it's

810
00:24:47,029 --> 00:24:45,679
such a

811
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:47,039
you know it's something right you don't

812
00:24:49,510 --> 00:24:48,559
overstep your boundaries in this case

813
00:24:51,669 --> 00:24:49,520
you know

814
00:24:52,950 --> 00:24:51,679
absolutely if i was working for like cnn

815
00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:52,960
or washington post that may be a

816
00:24:55,110 --> 00:24:54,240
different story i may be able to do it

817
00:24:57,269 --> 00:24:55,120
that much but

818
00:24:58,230 --> 00:24:57,279
this is this is more of a i don't want

819
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:58,240
to

820
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:59,520
break someone's trust you could

821
00:25:01,669 --> 00:25:00,720
eventually be a source in the in the

822
00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:01,679
future

823
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:03,600
yep that's very important in journalism

824
00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:05,520
as frustrating as it is

825
00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:07,360
uh you know we got some flack over at

826
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:09,520
the debrief when we came out with those

827
00:25:13,750 --> 00:25:11,679
first you know ufo report

828
00:25:15,029 --> 00:25:13,760
uh leaks that we got of people being

829
00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:15,039
like why can't you name them why can't

830
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:16,240
you name them because that's how you

831
00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:17,520
keep sources

832
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:19,520
so just be happy we're getting anything

833
00:25:23,830 --> 00:25:21,039
but on the flip side i do

834
00:25:25,669 --> 00:25:23,840
understand a reader's perspective of

835
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:25,679
well then we're just taking your word

836
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:26,159
for it

837
00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:28,480
but that's what journalism is and it's

838
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:29,520
been that way

839
00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:31,840
for a very very long time so it's up to

840
00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:32,559
you to

841
00:25:36,789 --> 00:25:35,039
either take it for what it is or don't

842
00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:36,799
and that's the freedom we have

843
00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:39,919
of being you know on the outside

844
00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:46,710
a lot of people don't realize that the

845
00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:49,120
the sources are ran by editors

846
00:25:52,870 --> 00:25:52,080
so and i'm telling people i mean i write

847
00:25:56,230 --> 00:25:52,880
for the debrief too

848
00:25:57,909 --> 00:25:56,240
as well and mj does not run anything

849
00:25:59,350 --> 00:25:57,919
that would damage the credibility of

850
00:26:02,230 --> 00:25:59,360
that brand nope

851
00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:02,240
bottom line so you know everything goes

852
00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:03,440
through them they're the editors just

853
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:04,320
like it would

854
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:06,240
you know a mainstream newspaper you know

855
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:07,919
when i when i worked even when i want to

856
00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:08,640
do something

857
00:26:12,390 --> 00:26:10,960
you know when i was the conqueror i want

858
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:12,400
to just write a story you have to get

859
00:26:15,510 --> 00:26:13,360
approved by address

860
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:15,520
same thing you know it's and if the

861
00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:17,200
editors approve the sources then there

862
00:26:19,510 --> 00:26:18,640
you go that's all you need to know in

863
00:26:22,149 --> 00:26:19,520
terms of whether

864
00:26:23,029 --> 00:26:22,159
it passes if it passes the sniff test of

865
00:26:25,669 --> 00:26:23,039
the editors

866
00:26:26,950 --> 00:26:25,679
then there's really not much explanation

867
00:26:28,710 --> 00:26:26,960
near to the public saying

868
00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:28,720
why can't you name the sources you know

869
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:30,000
especially when it's something

870
00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:32,240
sensitive like this you know people

871
00:26:35,350 --> 00:26:33,760
because sometimes naming sources could

872
00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:35,360
be damaging to that person's personal

873
00:26:37,909 --> 00:26:36,400
life reputation

874
00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:37,919
and work especially like i said when

875
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:39,120
we're dealing with people who are in

876
00:26:41,110 --> 00:26:40,000
these

877
00:26:41,990 --> 00:26:41,120
higher levels of government and

878
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:42,000
something we're going to talk about

879
00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:43,200
later i don't know if this is coming up

880
00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:44,400
it would be a great segue

881
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:46,559
uh lou lozano is a great example of that

882
00:26:49,590 --> 00:26:48,000
of somebody coming out

883
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:49,600
and then people trying to damage his

884
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:51,600
reputation absolutely well

885
00:26:55,990 --> 00:26:54,080
yeah let's do it let's dive into that um

886
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:56,000
a recent article at politico i'm just

887
00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:57,600
going to read a little bit here mike

888
00:27:00,630 --> 00:26:59,200
from the article to give people some

889
00:27:03,029 --> 00:27:00,640
context so

890
00:27:04,230 --> 00:27:03,039
um this comes directly from brian bender

891
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:04,240
at politico quote

892
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:06,400
former pentagon official elizondo who

893
00:27:11,110 --> 00:27:08,640
went public about reports on ufos

894
00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:11,120
has filed a complaint with the agency's

895
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:12,400
inspector general

896
00:27:16,070 --> 00:27:14,960
claiming a coordinated campaign to

897
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:16,080
discredit him

898
00:27:19,430 --> 00:27:18,240
for speaking out including accusing a

899
00:27:21,909 --> 00:27:19,440
top official

900
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:21,919
of threatening to tell people he was

901
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:22,880
crazy

902
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:24,960
which like you said that's what we deal

903
00:27:29,110 --> 00:27:27,360
with with sources in this field

904
00:27:31,269 --> 00:27:29,120
they don't want their names out there

905
00:27:32,070 --> 00:27:31,279
for obvious reasons uh stigma of

906
00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:32,080
ridicule

907
00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:34,559
which is shedding but um so let's see

908
00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:37,440
what else elizondo filed a 64-page

909
00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:38,320
complaint

910
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:41,440
to the independent watchdog the ig's on

911
00:27:45,269 --> 00:27:42,000
may

912
00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:45,279
investigators

913
00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:48,480
according to his legal team um

914
00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:50,720
wow uh what else do we have elizondo

915
00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:52,799
told the ig he has evidence in the form

916
00:27:56,630 --> 00:27:54,399
of emails documents

917
00:27:58,149 --> 00:27:56,640
and the public record which quote

918
00:28:01,110 --> 00:27:58,159
suggests a coordinated

919
00:28:02,070 --> 00:28:01,120
effort to obfuscate the truth from the

920
00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:02,080
american people

921
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:04,799
like these are not light words man this

922
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:06,880
is not just like speculative

923
00:28:10,389 --> 00:28:09,520
he is he's claiming some pretty serious

924
00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:10,399
stuff

925
00:28:15,269 --> 00:28:13,760
um right before this report is due it on

926
00:28:16,870 --> 00:28:15,279
june 25th so

927
00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:16,880
what do you make of this whole politico

928
00:28:20,710 --> 00:28:18,640
thing this is crazy

929
00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:20,720
yeah when i came across so we were

930
00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:22,159
talking earlier off aaron as soon as i

931
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:23,679
saw it come across my feet i'm like oh

932
00:28:26,070 --> 00:28:24,960
brian bender wrote it i'm going to read

933
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:26,080
it because there's

934
00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:28,080
so many ufo stories this week that are

935
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:29,520
mostly just kind of rehashes of what we

936
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:30,720
already know

937
00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:33,600
um and like right away you know none of

938
00:28:36,549 --> 00:28:35,200
nothing in that was really a surprise to

939
00:28:38,389 --> 00:28:36,559
me in terms of because

940
00:28:39,669 --> 00:28:38,399
elzado wasn't saying this from the start

941
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:39,679
as soon as he came out he said that

942
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:40,559
there are going to be some who are going

943
00:28:43,750 --> 00:28:42,080
to attack my credibility

944
00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:43,760
um i you know he said he may have a

945
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:45,360
target on his back he said it wasn't a

946
00:28:48,789 --> 00:28:46,080
popular

947
00:28:49,110 --> 00:28:48,799
when he left you know and his plan you

948
00:28:51,029 --> 00:28:49,120
know

949
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:51,039
when stuff he was saying when he first

950
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:52,880
left it wasn't gonna be popular

951
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:54,640
people told him that he's been saying

952
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:56,080
this the whole time and so then when

953
00:28:59,430 --> 00:28:57,600
people are coming back

954
00:29:00,870 --> 00:28:59,440
you know when the pentagon was being

955
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:00,880
wishy-washy with you know what his

956
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:03,360
responsibilities are what his role was

957
00:29:06,389 --> 00:29:04,960
i mean he said that was going to happen

958
00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:06,399
so to me it was

959
00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:09,760
no surprise that you know here here's

960
00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:10,159
where

961
00:29:15,430 --> 00:29:13,440
we're at now and i mean there's people

962
00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:15,440
you know i think a lot of people did

963
00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:16,720
their due diligence in terms of

964
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:19,120
seeing if he was the right person but if

965
00:29:21,909 --> 00:29:20,880
leslie kane hawaii cooper and rob

966
00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:21,919
blumenthal

967
00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:24,240
did it then yeah you should believe them

968
00:29:27,269 --> 00:29:25,679
um just because of the standards and

969
00:29:27,750 --> 00:29:27,279
practices of the new york times if they

970
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:27,760
can

971
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:29,200
deem him credible enough to run that

972
00:29:31,990 --> 00:29:30,480
first story then that should be enough

973
00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:32,000
for everyone i know some people in the

974
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:32,880
field

975
00:29:37,750 --> 00:29:35,600
may have made it a really a a goal of

976
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:37,760
theirs to really try to discredit him

977
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:39,520
i'm not trying to throw any under the

978
00:29:42,070 --> 00:29:40,720
bus but i think we all know who we're

979
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:42,080
talking about and i'm

980
00:29:46,149 --> 00:29:44,159
not trying to you know talk talk mess or

981
00:29:47,590 --> 00:29:46,159
anything but you know they they really

982
00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:47,600
try to

983
00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:49,360
not necessarily not purposely drag his

984
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:51,600
name in the mud but try to find evidence

985
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:53,039
that would potentially say this guy's

986
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:54,640
not who he says he was

987
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:57,200
and that's what lozano said was gonna

988
00:30:01,269 --> 00:29:58,559
happen and then here we are

989
00:30:01,750 --> 00:30:01,279
so i think it's all kind of full circle

990
00:30:02,950 --> 00:30:01,760
yeah

991
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:02,960
you're so right i didn't even think

992
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:04,480
about that he did say from the very

993
00:30:07,830 --> 00:30:05,760
start like get ready

994
00:30:09,029 --> 00:30:07,840
they're gonna try to say i didn't work

995
00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:09,039
at the dod

996
00:30:12,549 --> 00:30:11,200
and this and that which they're still

997
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:12,559
dealing with i mean

998
00:30:15,909 --> 00:30:14,640
we've we've had quotes from the pentagon

999
00:30:18,070 --> 00:30:15,919
saying nope he didn't

1000
00:30:20,230 --> 00:30:18,080
um he wasn't the head of the program

1001
00:30:21,269 --> 00:30:20,240
nope did not work for the department of

1002
00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:21,279
defense so

1003
00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:24,320
like it's all about wording man and we

1004
00:30:29,110 --> 00:30:26,399
know with intelligence people

1005
00:30:30,389 --> 00:30:29,120
and uh and stuff like that it's all

1006
00:30:33,510 --> 00:30:30,399
between the lines

1007
00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:33,520
so um this is an interesting story again

1008
00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:36,240
um it seems like elizondo's not gonna

1009
00:30:40,070 --> 00:30:38,080
you know put his tail between his legs

1010
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:40,080
and just move on he's ready to confront

1011
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:41,200
the pentagon

1012
00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:44,000
especially when this report is due so he

1013
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:44,720
is the one

1014
00:30:48,149 --> 00:30:46,320
saying we gotta keep putting pressure on

1015
00:30:49,750 --> 00:30:48,159
him or you know it's gonna we're gonna

1016
00:30:51,190 --> 00:30:49,760
be back to

1017
00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:51,200
the end of project blue book you're

1018
00:30:54,389 --> 00:30:53,120
going to not get anything

1019
00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:54,399
they're going to say it's not a national

1020
00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:55,679
security threat and they're going to

1021
00:30:57,909 --> 00:30:56,399
move on

1022
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:57,919
or on the flip side they're going to use

1023
00:31:02,630 --> 00:30:59,600
it to their advantage and say

1024
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:02,640
we got to pump you know 8 billion more

1025
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:05,039
dollars into the navy or this or that

1026
00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:07,919
so i don't know i'm all i don't know

1027
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:09,600
what to make of any of this dude to be

1028
00:31:13,269 --> 00:31:10,159
honest

1029
00:31:14,470 --> 00:31:13,279
like it's too much like we had nothing

1030
00:31:17,350 --> 00:31:14,480
for so long

1031
00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:17,360
before 2017. we were talking about the

1032
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:18,720
same damn cases

1033
00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:21,200
over and over again and now it's almost

1034
00:31:25,509 --> 00:31:22,159
like

1035
00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:25,519
world we don't even have time to process

1036
00:31:29,110 --> 00:31:26,480
things before

1037
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:29,120
we have to move on to the next story so

1038
00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:29,840
um

1039
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:32,880
i'm dizzy i feel like every morning i

1040
00:31:37,590 --> 00:31:34,720
wake up i'm gonna be like okay what

1041
00:31:39,190 --> 00:31:37,600
like what's gonna happen today uh which

1042
00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:39,200
is what we kind of felt the last four

1043
00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:40,799
years with twitter i think

1044
00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:42,480
as well so just when we thought we were

1045
00:31:47,190 --> 00:31:44,080
done with waking up

1046
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:47,200
uh to something crazy on twitter now we

1047
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:49,440
have it in the ufo twitter world where

1048
00:31:52,630 --> 00:31:50,480
we wake up and

1049
00:31:53,590 --> 00:31:52,640
it seems like some big bombshell is out

1050
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:53,600
there

1051
00:31:57,669 --> 00:31:55,840
and i was thinking about this conspiracy

1052
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:57,679
theorists are having a field day with us

1053
00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:58,559
right now

1054
00:32:01,990 --> 00:31:59,600
you think about everything that's

1055
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:02,000
happening right now in this country like

1056
00:32:05,909 --> 00:32:04,320
in the world right imagine if there's

1057
00:32:07,269 --> 00:32:05,919
something to

1058
00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:07,279
and i'm not trying to play into any of

1059
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:09,120
that but just imagine the argument that

1060
00:32:13,029 --> 00:32:10,080
there's something to

1061
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:13,039
bring humanity together you know because

1062
00:32:15,750 --> 00:32:14,880
there's so much division in this country

1063
00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:15,760
and throughout you know all throughout

1064
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:16,960
the world right now so if there was an

1065
00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:19,039
alien threat right would that bring us

1066
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:20,240
together even let's look on the flip

1067
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:21,039
side what if it

1068
00:32:24,630 --> 00:32:23,279
united us in a positive way you know

1069
00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:24,640
what if we said

1070
00:32:28,549 --> 00:32:27,360
you know this this is real we can better

1071
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:28,559
the world for everyone with this

1072
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:29,279
technology

1073
00:32:32,389 --> 00:32:30,559
and that brings us together what about

1074
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:32,399
on the flip side of that but like i saw

1075
00:32:34,389 --> 00:32:33,600
something the other day that really had

1076
00:32:36,310 --> 00:32:34,399
me worried

1077
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:36,320
um you know it's like you know because i

1078
00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:37,679
said conspiracy theories are probably

1079
00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:40,480
crazy with this and i'm a big fan of uh

1080
00:32:44,310 --> 00:32:42,640
a big fan i'm sorry the big

1081
00:32:45,750 --> 00:32:44,320
start looking forward i appreciate

1082
00:32:46,710 --> 00:32:45,760
reading everything that the bledsoe has

1083
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:46,720
put out

1084
00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:48,320
uh that chris ryan did because i think

1085
00:32:52,389 --> 00:32:49,919
it's really fascinating

1086
00:32:53,029 --> 00:32:52,399
um and ryan bledsoe his his twitter i

1087
00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:53,039
think is

1088
00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:55,120
a gem because it's just full of like

1089
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:56,399
breadcrumbs whether you believe it or

1090
00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:57,360
not

1091
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:58,880
um and he said something the other day

1092
00:33:01,750 --> 00:33:00,799
about you know there's gonna be people

1093
00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:01,760
in power

1094
00:33:05,990 --> 00:33:03,840
who want to bring you know end times

1095
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:06,000
again and there also may be a false

1096
00:33:09,029 --> 00:33:06,559
narrative

1097
00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:09,039
pushed with ufos like that clicked in my

1098
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:10,080
head i was like oh my god

1099
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:12,720
if i'm a conspiracy nut i'm thinking you

1100
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:14,159
know people in power and i'm not trying

1101
00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:14,960
to get political

1102
00:33:18,789 --> 00:33:17,039
but it's true right now there's a party

1103
00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:18,799
in this country right now who's doing

1104
00:33:24,230 --> 00:33:20,320
everything they can

1105
00:33:26,710 --> 00:33:24,240
to make things bad make things worse

1106
00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:26,720
so that is true check that box right and

1107
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:28,559
now there's a looming ufo report

1108
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:30,240
that could potential that can maybe that

1109
00:33:35,269 --> 00:33:33,120
could be manipulated in some sense to

1110
00:33:36,630 --> 00:33:35,279
either you know cause division or cause

1111
00:33:40,149 --> 00:33:36,640
unity so like

1112
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:40,159
that kind of conspiracy you know

1113
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:41,840
not my brain kind of put those

1114
00:33:43,990 --> 00:33:43,279
connections together but i know there

1115
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:44,000
are people who

1116
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:46,559
are taking this you know way way further

1117
00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:47,440
than that i just think it was

1118
00:33:50,830 --> 00:33:48,640
interesting to think about like what if

1119
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:50,840
there's a point there you know

1120
00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:53,760
yeah like crazy

1121
00:33:57,029 --> 00:33:56,000
yeah yeah no that's a good point and

1122
00:34:01,350 --> 00:33:57,039
again you know not

1123
00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:01,360
getting too political um we've had this

1124
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:03,200
conspiracy theory thing going on for the

1125
00:34:07,029 --> 00:34:04,720
past four years so

1126
00:34:08,869 --> 00:34:07,039
it's hard it's hard nobody knows what to

1127
00:34:11,349 --> 00:34:08,879
believe anymore on either

1128
00:34:13,430 --> 00:34:11,359
end of the political spectrum um and

1129
00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:13,440
again it seems that the answers

1130
00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:15,440
seem to always lie somewhere in the

1131
00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:16,720
middle but um

1132
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:18,399
you're right there are individuals out

1133
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:20,399
there and now we have that divide in the

1134
00:34:24,869 --> 00:34:22,399
ufo field you've got elizondo

1135
00:34:26,470 --> 00:34:24,879
and these pilots saying you know it's a

1136
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:26,480
potential threat like we got to be

1137
00:34:29,109 --> 00:34:27,200
careful

1138
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:29,119
and then you've got someone like dr

1139
00:34:32,149 --> 00:34:30,240
steven greer

1140
00:34:34,389 --> 00:34:32,159
on the other end of the spectrum saying

1141
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:34,399
elizondo's a disinformation agent this

1142
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:35,520
is all planned they're

1143
00:34:39,270 --> 00:34:37,359
they're planning a coordinated false

1144
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:39,280
flag alien invasion

1145
00:34:43,109 --> 00:34:41,200
and uh don't listen to them aliens are

1146
00:34:44,629 --> 00:34:43,119
peaceful they're peaceful i can

1147
00:34:47,109 --> 00:34:44,639
bring them in with flashlights if you

1148
00:34:48,550 --> 00:34:47,119
don't believe me so dude i get it man

1149
00:34:50,869 --> 00:34:48,560
where it's like we've

1150
00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:50,879
we've gone from red and blue in the

1151
00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:52,480
overall world to now

1152
00:34:58,630 --> 00:34:55,520
greer or elizon it just

1153
00:35:01,430 --> 00:34:58,640
it mirrors it so uh badly and

1154
00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:01,440
oh man i don't know what to make of it

1155
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:03,520
it's it's it's exciting times it's also

1156
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:04,320
scary times

1157
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:06,960
it really is it's like it's because it's

1158
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:08,240
like you hear all these

1159
00:35:11,910 --> 00:35:10,800
impending you know that conspiracy there

1160
00:35:13,349 --> 00:35:11,920
is but all these you know

1161
00:35:14,630 --> 00:35:13,359
revelations all these things that you

1162
00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:14,640
hear and you're like man that kind of

1163
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:15,839
sounds like what's happening right now

1164
00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:17,760
but that can't possibly happen

1165
00:35:21,349 --> 00:35:19,280
right but you're like well what if and

1166
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:21,359
that's part of yeah that's irrational

1167
00:35:23,829 --> 00:35:22,720
too as well to think that what-if

1168
00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:23,839
scenario

1169
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:25,520
but i just think the ufo stuff happening

1170
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:26,400
right now and the fact that it's

1171
00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:27,680
happening right now and it's like it's

1172
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:28,240
making

1173
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:30,960
headlines and that says something

1174
00:35:32,950 --> 00:35:32,240
everything going on in the world in the

1175
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:32,960
country right now

1176
00:35:36,710 --> 00:35:35,200
this is making big news i think that's

1177
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:36,720
speaks volumes in terms of where we're

1178
00:35:39,430 --> 00:35:37,440
at right now

1179
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:39,440
um i remember the last time i was on

1180
00:35:43,990 --> 00:35:40,640
about a year ago

1181
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:44,000
we talked about how um when

1182
00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:46,560
the pentagon officially said hey these

1183
00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:47,440
are real

1184
00:35:49,589 --> 00:35:48,400
you know these videos you've been

1185
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:49,599
watching for the past three years

1186
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:51,280
they're real for sure

1187
00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:53,040
they dropped that right in the middle of

1188
00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:54,320
pandemic

1189
00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:56,480
thinking it wouldn't be buried and it

1190
00:36:01,270 --> 00:35:58,000
didn't it was like a top news story

1191
00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:01,280
that day so i think it's same thing's

1192
00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:03,040
happening now i mean it's

1193
00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:04,880
this isn't going away from any news

1194
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:06,400
coverage regardless of what's going on

1195
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:08,400
if anything i feel like it may even be

1196
00:36:12,550 --> 00:36:10,240
burying some of the bigger stories

1197
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:12,560
you know that's a good point uh let's

1198
00:36:17,829 --> 00:36:14,800
talk agenda for a moment here

1199
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:17,839
uh you have jeremy corbell you have

1200
00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:20,000
george knapp you have the debrief

1201
00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:23,119
who are all sort of being given these

1202
00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:25,280
i don't want to say breadcrumbs i think

1203
00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:27,520
that's condescending in a way but been

1204
00:36:31,510 --> 00:36:30,320
they're given these leaked reports um or

1205
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:31,520
these videos

1206
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:34,160
someone like corbella knapp dropping two

1207
00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:35,280
um

1208
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:39,520
pretty big exciting ufo videos for us to

1209
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:40,320
debate

1210
00:36:44,790 --> 00:36:42,560
for you know for the end of time yet

1211
00:36:46,950 --> 00:36:44,800
again uh or something like the debrief

1212
00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:46,960
getting some of the reports of this

1213
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:50,320
possible triangular ufo emerging from

1214
00:36:53,430 --> 00:36:51,520
the ocean

1215
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:53,440
and going up into the sky and getting

1216
00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:55,040
photos and videos of it

1217
00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:57,040
it's crazy man so what do you make of

1218
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:58,400
all of this stuff

1219
00:37:02,069 --> 00:37:00,240
coming to light before we even get this

1220
00:37:04,150 --> 00:37:02,079
pending uap report

1221
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:04,160
why are these things being given to who

1222
00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:05,200
they are

1223
00:37:08,790 --> 00:37:07,280
i think is a big question in people's

1224
00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:08,800
minds and um

1225
00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:11,440
yeah why why now why are they doing this

1226
00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:12,079
when the

1227
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:14,880
reports come in soon it's just you know

1228
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:16,400
it's funny i'm gonna quote uh

1229
00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:19,680
chris uh well for the title wave

1230
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:20,720
yeah he said from the beginning there's

1231
00:37:23,589 --> 00:37:22,320
gonna be a title wave like ufo stuff and

1232
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:23,599
i always thought that was so funny but

1233
00:37:27,589 --> 00:37:24,160
like

1234
00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:27,599
spot on man it was gonna be a tsunami

1235
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:29,359
i think this is just part of it but it's

1236
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:30,880
like it is interesting you know

1237
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:34,079
who's getting it um it's i mean the

1238
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:35,440
brief makes sense just because of the

1239
00:37:38,069 --> 00:37:36,000
brand

1240
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:38,079
you know it's it's defense is tech like

1241
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:39,200
i said it's a very

1242
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:41,920
slick brand that stays on brand yeah you

1243
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:42,960
know they'll dva and do like kind of

1244
00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:44,640
like more funnier like harder stuff

1245
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:46,079
a lot of stuff i do for them is just

1246
00:37:49,589 --> 00:37:47,760
kind of more of the the fun

1247
00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:49,599
or crazy science stuff you know because

1248
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:51,040
it's interesting to me

1249
00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:52,560
i like writing about that stuff that's

1250
00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:53,920
different than you know what i usually

1251
00:37:57,589 --> 00:37:54,880
write about

1252
00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:57,599
but that makes sense um george nat makes

1253
00:38:01,030 --> 00:37:58,480
sense

1254
00:38:01,510 --> 00:38:01,040
jeremy corbell as a filmmaker makes

1255
00:38:03,430 --> 00:38:01,520
sense

1256
00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:03,440
to a degree i think it's kind of weird

1257
00:38:09,030 --> 00:38:07,430
i guess it makes sense because he's

1258
00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:09,040
associated with nap and i'm not trying

1259
00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:10,079
to

1260
00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:11,440
you know downplay any of jeremy's

1261
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:12,640
accomplishments i just think it's kind

1262
00:38:16,390 --> 00:38:14,400
of weird that it's going to

1263
00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:16,400
a non-mainstream filmmaker if that makes

1264
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:17,760
sense and i think part of that may be

1265
00:38:19,270 --> 00:38:18,000
his

1266
00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:19,280
association with somebody's very

1267
00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:21,040
credible and george knapp but it's

1268
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:21,839
interesting that

1269
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:24,960
it's going there and not cnn or you know

1270
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:26,400
washington post or something it's not

1271
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:27,839
like i said it's not knock towards any

1272
00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:28,640
of them

1273
00:38:32,950 --> 00:38:30,640
um as well so that's just interesting to

1274
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:32,960
me and what i'm thinking is

1275
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:35,200
you know these smaller sites and you

1276
00:38:38,790 --> 00:38:36,480
know like bitter brief and

1277
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:38,800
jeremy not that you know extraordinary

1278
00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:40,320
beliefs is a small site but as opposed

1279
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:41,040
to

1280
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:43,440
you know msnbc.com right that they're

1281
00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:45,280
getting these videos right

1282
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:47,200
the thing about it if and then a brief

1283
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:49,040
is getting stuff if we're getting these

1284
00:38:52,390 --> 00:38:50,640
these videos that are

1285
00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:52,400
are pretty revealing but nothing

1286
00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:55,040
mind-blowing imagine what they have

1287
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:57,359
that hasn't been given out yet and where

1288
00:39:00,550 --> 00:38:58,560
that goes

1289
00:39:02,150 --> 00:39:00,560
you know if i guarantee you they

1290
00:39:03,109 --> 00:39:02,160
probably have my way phrase i don't

1291
00:39:04,390 --> 00:39:03,119
guarantee you but

1292
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:04,400
if they have something that's on par

1293
00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:06,480
with the tic tac i'm pretty sure you

1294
00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:06,880
want

1295
00:39:10,550 --> 00:39:09,280
you know cnn or you know new york times

1296
00:39:12,790 --> 00:39:10,560
to get that as well so

1297
00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:12,800
i'm thinking my belief is they have

1298
00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:14,320
heavier stuff

1299
00:39:17,430 --> 00:39:16,000
that will come out eventually i think

1300
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:17,440
too so i think right now i think they're

1301
00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:18,720
really trying to

1302
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:21,040
get as much of this stuff out whoever's

1303
00:39:23,109 --> 00:39:22,320
doing it you know whatever is allowing

1304
00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:23,119
this

1305
00:39:27,030 --> 00:39:24,960
you know to be seen because like i said

1306
00:39:28,390 --> 00:39:27,040
if i'm if i'm if i'm reading a story

1307
00:39:29,270 --> 00:39:28,400
about tech and defense and i see the

1308
00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:29,280
debrief.org

1309
00:39:32,069 --> 00:39:30,400
i've never been there before i look at

1310
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:32,079
it oh this looks cool this looks

1311
00:39:34,870 --> 00:39:33,359
incredible

1312
00:39:37,030 --> 00:39:34,880
you know if i don't know who george

1313
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:37,040
knapp is and i google him say oh mr okay

1314
00:39:39,990 --> 00:39:38,400
he's a real journalist

1315
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:40,000
if i go with jamerrill corbell i said

1316
00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:41,520
okay he's written you know he's made

1317
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:42,079
films about

1318
00:39:45,910 --> 00:39:43,920
this so it would make sense to kind of

1319
00:39:47,589 --> 00:39:45,920
land there but i think

1320
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:47,599
i think it has to be strategic you know

1321
00:39:50,069 --> 00:39:48,960
i think there's probably bigger stuff

1322
00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:50,079
that i think at some point

1323
00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:52,079
would have to land on a larger outlet

1324
00:39:55,829 --> 00:39:54,400
and that's not disrespect to any of

1325
00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:55,839
the previous people we you know or

1326
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:57,599
outlets that we talked about

1327
00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:59,040
one that we both write for it's not just

1328
00:40:00,790 --> 00:40:00,240
respect to them at all but you would

1329
00:40:02,710 --> 00:40:00,800
think

1330
00:40:04,309 --> 00:40:02,720
you know like if there's another or

1331
00:40:06,790 --> 00:40:04,319
something similar

1332
00:40:08,150 --> 00:40:06,800
and that as like the tic tac toe you

1333
00:40:09,750 --> 00:40:08,160
think that would land

1334
00:40:11,589 --> 00:40:09,760
to you know washington post new york

1335
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:11,599
times or something

1336
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:14,880
yeah absolutely and i i have to agree

1337
00:40:18,790 --> 00:40:15,599
with you mike

1338
00:40:19,589 --> 00:40:18,800
i i think possibly what we're being

1339
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:19,599
given

1340
00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:22,720
could be a little less uh

1341
00:40:27,349 --> 00:40:25,760
i guess exciting um to the the

1342
00:40:29,589 --> 00:40:27,359
not just the mainstream overall but what

1343
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:29,599
the pentagon is willing to release

1344
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:32,480
um and we've it's funny too because

1345
00:40:37,910 --> 00:40:34,720
these videos that jeremy put out

1346
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:37,920
um they were authenticated by the

1347
00:40:41,829 --> 00:40:39,280
pentagon spokespeople

1348
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:41,839
within hours of jeremy putting them out

1349
00:40:44,309 --> 00:40:42,480
whereas

1350
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:44,319
like the videos originally from the dod

1351
00:40:48,790 --> 00:40:46,960
it took almost two years for them to

1352
00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:48,800
acknowledge that yes these are official

1353
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:50,000
navy videos

1354
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:52,960
um we they remain unidentified what we

1355
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:53,680
don't know

1356
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:56,640
about what jeremy has released is if

1357
00:41:00,630 --> 00:40:58,560
these objects still remain

1358
00:41:01,589 --> 00:41:00,640
unidentified we know these videos were

1359
00:41:04,710 --> 00:41:01,599
used

1360
00:41:06,550 --> 00:41:04,720
in the briefings given to um you know

1361
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:06,560
people within the the intelligence

1362
00:41:10,390 --> 00:41:08,880
agencies or the the military

1363
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:10,400
uh these were the videos they showed

1364
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:12,640
them to be like what do you think it is

1365
00:41:16,309 --> 00:41:15,200
we gotta figure this out maybe they did

1366
00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:16,319
and they're like okay

1367
00:41:20,950 --> 00:41:18,319
we can probably let these give it to the

1368
00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:20,960
public you know that'll satisfy them

1369
00:41:24,069 --> 00:41:22,720
for now at least whereas something like

1370
00:41:26,309 --> 00:41:24,079
you said the tic tac

1371
00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:26,319
is like they can't argue that that

1372
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:28,000
remains unidentified

1373
00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:30,240
at least that we know of that's not

1374
00:41:33,910 --> 00:41:31,280
classified

1375
00:41:35,430 --> 00:41:33,920
so um i do wonder too if you know these

1376
00:41:37,990 --> 00:41:35,440
are the things they're like

1377
00:41:39,190 --> 00:41:38,000
uh it's fine let's just let them put it

1378
00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:39,200
out there for now

1379
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:41,200
so then they'll have something to be

1380
00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:42,880
like okay we got we got a little of

1381
00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:44,000
something before the

1382
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:45,920
pending uap report when we don't give

1383
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:48,160
them anything if that's the case i hope

1384
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:49,599
that's not the case

1385
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:51,359
yeah i think that's a good way to put it

1386
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:53,440
if if that report isn't anything well we

1387
00:41:56,230 --> 00:41:54,800
at least have these videos and

1388
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:56,240
speaking of it just a few minutes ago on

1389
00:41:59,190 --> 00:41:57,920
twitter i was reading before we recorded

1390
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:59,200
sean cahill

1391
00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:00,800
uh who's for those of whom was one of

1392
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:02,400
the witnesses of the nimitz

1393
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:04,800
tic tac incident um he quote tweeted

1394
00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:05,520
jeremy's

1395
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:08,079
latest video and basically saying how

1396
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:09,599
everything checks out in terms of like

1397
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:10,880
the

1398
00:42:15,190 --> 00:42:13,920
it

1399
00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:15,200
the way the radar looks i thought that

1400
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:17,680
was a really good um

1401
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:20,640
endorsement of that of that video

1402
00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:20,960
because

1403
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:22,240
some people may look down and say oh i

1404
00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:23,520
can't see anything this is just a radar

1405
00:42:25,589 --> 00:42:24,400
like what is

1406
00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:25,599
you know i mean some people may say that

1407
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:26,960
but they hear sean caleb's like no this

1408
00:42:31,910 --> 00:42:27,760
is

1409
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:31,920
saw so i think that's that's pretty cool

1410
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:34,640
it is and again for those watching or

1411
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:35,760
listening um

1412
00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:38,319
you know this will go up monday today's

1413
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:40,480
thursday may 27th as we're recording

1414
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:40,960
this

1415
00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:42,400
um so who knows what's going to happen

1416
00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:44,079
between then and when this releases

1417
00:42:47,990 --> 00:42:46,240
mike but um that you're you're speaking

1418
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:48,000
about a video that jeremy

1419
00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:51,280
uh dropped today may 27th of the radar

1420
00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:53,440
to the i believe was the omaha

1421
00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:55,280
incident where the objects seem to

1422
00:43:02,230 --> 00:42:58,000
submerge into the ocean if you can write

1423
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:04,230
the number of contacts you got if they

1424
00:43:09,589 --> 00:43:06,640
force the speed leaders off them

1425
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:09,599
i mean enroll a position to us make

1426
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:10,880
bearings

1427
00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:26,470
46 knots 50 knots

1428
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:33,990
that one's pretty much perfectly zero

1429
00:43:41,270 --> 00:43:36,720
zero zero relative right yeah

1430
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:41,280
two six three three miles 55 knots

1431
00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:44,160
we're seeing all of the different uh

1432
00:43:47,109 --> 00:43:45,280
objects

1433
00:43:48,790 --> 00:43:47,119
that were tracked on radar it wasn't

1434
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:48,800
just this one object that went into the

1435
00:43:51,190 --> 00:43:49,520
water

1436
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:51,200
and they actually went to investigate

1437
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:52,880
tried to find it and they couldn't

1438
00:43:57,910 --> 00:43:55,680
uh it's again being a part of these

1439
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:57,920
swarms we keep hearing with the tic-tac

1440
00:44:01,270 --> 00:43:58,560
event

1441
00:44:02,630 --> 00:44:01,280
or um the go fast like we're seeing one

1442
00:44:05,030 --> 00:44:02,640
object in these videos

1443
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:05,040
but everyone there is saying dude like

1444
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:05,760
we were

1445
00:44:08,790 --> 00:44:08,000
it was raining ufos that day man like

1446
00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:08,800
these things were

1447
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:11,040
everywhere so what the hell is that if

1448
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:12,960
it's not chinese or russian

1449
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:14,640
as a lot of these people are saying

1450
00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:16,800
that's uh very troubling

1451
00:44:20,069 --> 00:44:19,040
in my opinion so i'm glad jeremy put

1452
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:20,079
that out um

1453
00:44:24,309 --> 00:44:22,079
it just gives us more context which is

1454
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:24,319
what we need and it's more data

1455
00:44:28,150 --> 00:44:26,560
which is what we desperately need in

1456
00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:28,160
this field especially when it comes to

1457
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:29,839
videos like this so

1458
00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:31,440
yeah i think it's pretty interesting man

1459
00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:33,839
um well let me ask you this

1460
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:36,960
uh to the stars now you've met de long

1461
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:37,680
you have

1462
00:44:41,829 --> 00:44:40,000
interviewed him uh you followed the

1463
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:41,839
course up to the stars academy from the

1464
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:42,640
beginning

1465
00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:44,720
um up until i don't want to say it's end

1466
00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:46,800
because i don't think it's completely

1467
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:50,160
done with but um any any sort of new

1468
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:52,480
revelations or observations

1469
00:44:56,790 --> 00:44:54,800
that you've had recently about where to

1470
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:56,800
the stars academy lies today

1471
00:44:59,829 --> 00:44:58,480
well it's interesting because you know

1472
00:45:01,990 --> 00:44:59,839
when when lou and

1473
00:45:04,230 --> 00:45:02,000
uh chris mellon left obviously it's like

1474
00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:04,240
when you lose your two biggest

1475
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:06,000
heavy hitters in terms of credibility

1476
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:08,079
you're going to have to pivot somehow

1477
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:09,760
and for them to kind of go okay we're

1478
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:10,800
going to do a little bit more the

1479
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:12,240
entertainment aspect i think that was

1480
00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:13,280
expected especially when you

1481
00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:16,720
when you lose those two people but it's

1482
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:17,280
almost

1483
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:18,480
you know this is kind of like what i

1484
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:20,160
think was intended from the start not

1485
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:21,359
for them to leave

1486
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:23,119
but for tom to eventually do more of the

1487
00:45:25,349 --> 00:45:24,560
entertainment stuff which he said i want

1488
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:25,359
to make

1489
00:45:28,870 --> 00:45:27,440
do books and movies about that

1490
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:28,880
incorporate elements

1491
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:30,560
real elements of the phenomena and put

1492
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:32,160
it you know in fictional

1493
00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:33,599
works and that's one of the quotes he

1494
00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:35,359
gave me from my book stranger than

1495
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:36,079
fiction

1496
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:37,040
because this is something that's been

1497
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:38,640
going on for 70 years now so what

1498
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:40,560
they're doing is really no different

1499
00:45:43,829 --> 00:45:42,240
um so i think now he's actually getting

1500
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:43,839
more opportunity to do that because

1501
00:45:46,710 --> 00:45:45,520
as the company pivots and we don't know

1502
00:45:47,589 --> 00:45:46,720
if they're fully pivoting we don't know

1503
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:47,599
what's happening

1504
00:45:50,230 --> 00:45:49,040
with these apps that we're developing

1505
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:50,240
i'm trying to figure that out i'm trying

1506
00:45:52,470 --> 00:45:51,520
to find it out right now

1507
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:52,480
we don't know what's happening some of

1508
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:53,839
these other you know things that they

1509
00:45:56,710 --> 00:45:55,200
were doing so we don't know at this

1510
00:45:59,190 --> 00:45:56,720
point but we do know

1511
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:59,200
you know to the stars as a brand as you

1512
00:46:02,069 --> 00:46:00,720
know concentrating more of the

1513
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:02,079
entertainment element

1514
00:46:05,190 --> 00:46:03,440
and i think this is something that was

1515
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:05,200
kind of planned from the start the time

1516
00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:06,480
to eventually

1517
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:09,760
you know um concentrate more on the

1518
00:46:12,630 --> 00:46:11,200
entertainment side of things which he

1519
00:46:14,950 --> 00:46:12,640
was talking about doing even before to

1520
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:14,960
the stars academy even started

1521
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:17,200
so lately there's been quite a few nice

1522
00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:18,240
little breadcrumbs

1523
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:21,920
um that he's kind of left for so

1524
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:23,520
for for people who are unaware you know

1525
00:46:26,309 --> 00:46:25,680
he has two bands uh blink 182 which he's

1526
00:46:28,069 --> 00:46:26,319
not

1527
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:28,079
currently in at the moment but angels

1528
00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:29,520
and airwaves is his other band and

1529
00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:31,680
angels and race for years have kind of

1530
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:33,520
tied in themes of consciousness and

1531
00:46:36,870 --> 00:46:34,880
dreams and

1532
00:46:38,950 --> 00:46:36,880
uh the universe and love and all these

1533
00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:38,960
types of new agey

1534
00:46:42,309 --> 00:46:41,119
paranormalist kind of stuff in the music

1535
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:42,319
um you know

1536
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:44,160
these themes and kind of ran through

1537
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:46,160
english language music so

1538
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:47,760
um they recently started like a little

1539
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:49,680
fan club thing and you know i'm a nerd

1540
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:51,200
nerdy fan boy so i was like yeah

1541
00:46:54,870 --> 00:46:53,280
i'll join it so it's always interesting

1542
00:46:57,750 --> 00:46:54,880
to see what kind of like what fans say

1543
00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:57,760
anyway he was tom was doing an interview

1544
00:47:01,510 --> 00:46:58,240
um

1545
00:47:02,710 --> 00:47:01,520
with uh allison hagendorf for spotify

1546
00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:02,720
and he mentioned the monsters of

1547
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:04,319
california which is a movie he did

1548
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:05,920
during the pandemic

1549
00:47:09,109 --> 00:47:07,920
and it does sound similar to kind of a

1550
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:09,119
strange

1551
00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:15,119
kind of young adult super bad meets

1552
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:16,480
paranormal this sounds like an adult

1553
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:18,160
version of that anyway long story short

1554
00:47:21,750 --> 00:47:20,160
he mentioned he wants that by halloween

1555
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:21,760
and one thing i took from that interview

1556
00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:23,280
is he said the third act of the movie

1557
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:24,880
has a lot of

1558
00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:27,520
uh stuff that ufo people will dig and

1559
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:29,359
it's all from

1560
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:32,480
you know current real events so that was

1561
00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:34,160
really interesting that the third

1562
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:36,160
third arc of this film is going to be

1563
00:47:39,990 --> 00:47:38,480
heavily influenced by real stuff

1564
00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:40,000
because in the in the secret machines

1565
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:41,200
books there's a lot of stuff that was

1566
00:47:44,470 --> 00:47:42,480
shot that he put in there that's

1567
00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:44,480
apparently based on true stuff

1568
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:46,240
as well so that was interesting to me

1569
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:47,839
and then recently

1570
00:47:50,950 --> 00:47:49,440
his band angels and airwaves released a

1571
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:50,960
video uh

1572
00:47:54,790 --> 00:47:54,000
for a song called euphoria okay right in

1573
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:54,800
the video

1574
00:47:57,990 --> 00:47:56,720
somebody did did this someone in the fan

1575
00:48:00,230 --> 00:47:58,000
club thing i called i

1576
00:48:01,510 --> 00:48:00,240
they slowed down a scene and in the

1577
00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:01,520
video basically the

1578
00:48:05,109 --> 00:48:03,040
the there's this girl and the guy

1579
00:48:06,309 --> 00:48:05,119
they're meeting up and uh it really

1580
00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:06,319
doesn't tell what the song's about the

1581
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:07,839
song is actually about kind of toxic

1582
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:09,680
masculinity and how that's such an awful

1583
00:48:12,309 --> 00:48:10,319
thing

1584
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:12,319
but in the video is basically it's about

1585
00:48:16,309 --> 00:48:14,240
this girl capturing

1586
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:16,319
uh tracking down this guy capturing and

1587
00:48:19,510 --> 00:48:17,440
stealing his badge

1588
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:19,520
and when you freeze frame it the badge

1589
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:21,440
is a clearance for area 51.

1590
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:24,480
yes i have i caught that i

1591
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:27,760
i i was gonna text you the photo

1592
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:29,280
i totally forgot i'm so happy you're

1593
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:31,119
bringing this up man and then the name

1594
00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:32,880
on it is pete anderson

1595
00:48:36,309 --> 00:48:34,240
now for many people say well what's

1596
00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:36,319
what's the the relevance for that so tom

1597
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:38,400
has a whole other franchise called poet

1598
00:48:42,549 --> 00:48:40,480
anderson

1599
00:48:44,069 --> 00:48:42,559
all about um like dreams and sleep

1600
00:48:44,470 --> 00:48:44,079
studies and it's it's actually really

1601
00:48:46,309 --> 00:48:44,480
cool

1602
00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:46,319
um so it's interesting that pete

1603
00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:48,880
anderson is he's somehow tying

1604
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:50,800
all his fictional components together

1605
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:52,640
and i was thinking because they shot

1606
00:48:55,750 --> 00:48:54,800
three music videos back to back so my

1607
00:48:58,230 --> 00:48:55,760
theory is

1608
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:58,240
all these videos somehow tie in to

1609
00:49:00,549 --> 00:48:59,440
monsters of california

1610
00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:00,559
which is supposed to come out in the

1611
00:49:03,190 --> 00:49:02,640
fall that's my personal theory but i

1612
00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:03,200
think it is

1613
00:49:06,549 --> 00:49:04,640
interesting that you know he's putting

1614
00:49:07,990 --> 00:49:06,559
these little i say to say again these

1615
00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:08,000
little breadcrumbs

1616
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:09,760
for for the stuff he's doing all the

1617
00:49:12,630 --> 00:49:11,040
stuff he's doing to the stars and the

1618
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:12,640
angels and everybody's videos and stuff

1619
00:49:15,829 --> 00:49:13,760
too

1620
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:15,839
um so yeah so that's really interesting

1621
00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:17,280
that he's kind of tying in you know

1622
00:49:20,790 --> 00:49:19,040
the the ideas of conscience and dreams

1623
00:49:23,270 --> 00:49:20,800
that he did in poet anderson

1624
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:23,280
to kind of area 51 and also there's

1625
00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:24,960
another thing too is

1626
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:26,559
there's something that they're hinting

1627
00:49:30,150 --> 00:49:28,319
at called project dreamland

1628
00:49:31,589 --> 00:49:30,160
now we're not sure is is that the name

1629
00:49:33,430 --> 00:49:31,599
of the album is that

1630
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:33,440
is that something they're associated

1631
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:35,520
with the album but they did send out to

1632
00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:37,280
uh that the record label sent out

1633
00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:40,640
50 cassette players with coordinates

1634
00:49:43,990 --> 00:49:42,720
and that the fans who got them would

1635
00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:44,000
have to like figure it out and the

1636
00:49:47,190 --> 00:49:45,680
coordinates were like three

1637
00:49:48,790 --> 00:49:47,200
dates and locations and basically now we

1638
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:48,800
know that these are shows

1639
00:49:53,109 --> 00:49:51,440
concerts or whatever but the product i

1640
00:49:54,390 --> 00:49:53,119
was hoping dude i was hoping it was the

1641
00:49:57,190 --> 00:49:54,400
coordinates to uh

1642
00:49:58,309 --> 00:49:57,200
element 115 in the desert but it's

1643
00:49:58,950 --> 00:49:58,319
interesting that you know project

1644
00:50:02,230 --> 00:49:58,960
dreamland

1645
00:50:06,390 --> 00:50:02,240
him by tom and right

1646
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:06,400
kind of by a not to the stars but a

1647
00:50:11,190 --> 00:50:09,200
was it imprint and imprint there you go

1648
00:50:12,309 --> 00:50:11,200
uh the book's called dreamland dreamland

1649
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:12,319
larry51

1650
00:50:16,069 --> 00:50:14,880
so there's project dreamland dreamland

1651
00:50:17,829 --> 00:50:16,079
and now there's

1652
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:17,839
the area 51 badge showing up in the

1653
00:50:21,670 --> 00:50:19,760
videos i think it's really clever and

1654
00:50:24,069 --> 00:50:21,680
whether people you know care about and

1655
00:50:25,750 --> 00:50:24,079
not care not about you know his non-ufo

1656
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:25,760
stuff this kind of ties in with it in my

1657
00:50:28,549 --> 00:50:26,640
opinion

1658
00:50:29,910 --> 00:50:28,559
so it's just fascinating to see what's

1659
00:50:31,829 --> 00:50:29,920
going to come in this film

1660
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:31,839
and you know what other easter eggs he's

1661
00:50:35,030 --> 00:50:33,040
leaving us and

1662
00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:35,040
but once again i mean this is you know

1663
00:50:37,510 --> 00:50:36,960
i'm not i like to defend him because i

1664
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:37,520
think

1665
00:50:40,549 --> 00:50:38,800
he was right all along everything you

1666
00:50:42,470 --> 00:50:40,559
said in 2017 eventually happened

1667
00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:42,480
and everything he said he wanted to do

1668
00:50:46,950 --> 00:50:44,400
with the fictional elements of it

1669
00:50:47,430 --> 00:50:46,960
he's doing and even if lou even if lou

1670
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:47,440
and chris

1671
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:49,920
left and let's say to the stars academy

1672
00:50:53,190 --> 00:50:51,920
folds is like a size division becomes an

1673
00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:53,200
entertainment

1674
00:50:58,470 --> 00:50:56,480
i mean mission accomplished right i mean

1675
00:51:00,710 --> 00:50:58,480
you could argue that lou and chris

1676
00:51:01,990 --> 00:51:00,720
mellon are maybe better positioned now

1677
00:51:04,230 --> 00:51:02,000
to go forward with whatever they're

1678
00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:04,240
gonna do next because of the momentum

1679
00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:05,440
they got with those stories

1680
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:07,920
in the in the new york times and that

1681
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:08,640
will push from

1682
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:11,359
to the stars academy so yeah that's

1683
00:51:13,510 --> 00:51:12,000
right

1684
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:13,520
so i think everything you know everyone

1685
00:51:16,870 --> 00:51:15,200
who kind of laughed at him everything he

1686
00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:16,880
said is kind of coming true slowly and

1687
00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:18,160
shortly

1688
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:20,800
yep i i couldn't agree more and i'm i'm

1689
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:22,640
hopeful for the future no matter what i

1690
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:24,480
would like to know a little more about

1691
00:51:28,069 --> 00:51:26,240
you know crata and this agreement they

1692
00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:28,079
have the arm meta materials

1693
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:29,760
but maybe we'll get there maybe we'll

1694
00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:36,390
what's up guys ryan sprague here and i'm

1695
00:51:39,829 --> 00:51:38,240
just dropping in to remind you about our

1696
00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:39,839
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1697
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1708
00:52:03,030 --> 00:52:00,960
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1710
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1711
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:08,450
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1712
00:52:17,349 --> 00:52:14,630
all right mike i want to move to the

1713
00:52:18,069 --> 00:52:17,359
second part of our conversation today we

1714
00:52:20,309 --> 00:52:18,079
did mention

1715
00:52:22,069 --> 00:52:20,319
tom delong and you can't think about tom

1716
00:52:24,950 --> 00:52:22,079
delong without thinking of blink

1717
00:52:26,309 --> 00:52:24,960
182 one of the greatest most successful

1718
00:52:28,390 --> 00:52:26,319
pop punk bands

1719
00:52:29,829 --> 00:52:28,400
of all time i think i've seen him four

1720
00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:29,839
times live

1721
00:52:35,990 --> 00:52:33,760
um in my my pop punk history but uh yeah

1722
00:52:37,270 --> 00:52:36,000
let's go there brother hey suburbia a

1723
00:52:40,470 --> 00:52:37,280
guide to the emo

1724
00:52:42,069 --> 00:52:40,480
pop punk rise your new coffee table book

1725
00:52:44,790 --> 00:52:42,079
that you came out with you've moved

1726
00:52:46,069 --> 00:52:44,800
beyond ufos and gone back to one of your

1727
00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:46,079
other passions my man

1728
00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:48,880
so tell us a little about um about the

1729
00:52:52,630 --> 00:52:50,640
book how did it come about

1730
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:52,640
what made you want to write it and yeah

1731
00:52:56,309 --> 00:52:54,720
give us a little a little understanding

1732
00:52:59,829 --> 00:52:56,319
of what we're dealing with here

1733
00:53:00,150 --> 00:52:59,839
so it's been a passion project in my i

1734
00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:00,160
guess

1735
00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:06,549
just years of like i said when i started

1736
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:08,160
working um

1737
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:11,040
at my college newspaper it was myself

1738
00:53:15,109 --> 00:53:12,000
i'd write probably

1739
00:53:17,349 --> 00:53:15,119
90 of the life in art section just me

1740
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:17,359
um at some point i was writing ten

1741
00:53:20,470 --> 00:53:19,200
articles a week i had my own beat which

1742
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:20,480
was techno oddly enough which was

1743
00:53:23,190 --> 00:53:21,599
technology

1744
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:23,200
but i was also writing features how i do

1745
00:53:26,710 --> 00:53:24,640
like you know do like

1746
00:53:28,470 --> 00:53:26,720
cd reviews interview bands or whatever

1747
00:53:29,589 --> 00:53:28,480
so at that time i was also you know

1748
00:53:30,870 --> 00:53:29,599
besides going to

1749
00:53:33,030 --> 00:53:30,880
school during the day and working for

1750
00:53:34,309 --> 00:53:33,040
the school paper i'll go at night and

1751
00:53:36,150 --> 00:53:34,319
work at the chronicle

1752
00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:36,160
um i've had my door doing like

1753
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:38,160
proofreading and just very minimal stuff

1754
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:40,800
so eventually once i graduated and i was

1755
00:53:44,470 --> 00:53:42,960
still working the chronicle doing more

1756
00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:44,480
real real heavy lifting work more

1757
00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:46,559
editing i brought my portfolio

1758
00:53:49,990 --> 00:53:48,480
to future saying hey i really like you

1759
00:53:52,069 --> 00:53:50,000
know interviewing you know these types

1760
00:53:54,150 --> 00:53:52,079
of managing this type of music

1761
00:53:55,109 --> 00:53:54,160
because they had two staff writers you

1762
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:55,119
really didn't cover

1763
00:53:58,790 --> 00:53:57,599
pop punk or punk rock or emo at all and

1764
00:54:00,710 --> 00:53:58,800
they said sure

1765
00:54:02,710 --> 00:54:00,720
so every once in a while when something

1766
00:54:04,630 --> 00:54:02,720
would come up i would you know do it for

1767
00:54:06,390 --> 00:54:04,640
for the paper or for the website i

1768
00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:06,400
started covering warped tour for them

1769
00:54:10,230 --> 00:54:08,960
and that just kind of spiraled into hey

1770
00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:10,240
i'm i always felt like i was

1771
00:54:14,870 --> 00:54:11,520
unofficially

1772
00:54:15,349 --> 00:54:14,880
because it was never really an official

1773
00:54:16,710 --> 00:54:15,359
thing

1774
00:54:18,309 --> 00:54:16,720
because i was like hey can i cover the

1775
00:54:19,349 --> 00:54:18,319
show please i could take pictures you

1776
00:54:20,470 --> 00:54:19,359
know you sent out a photographer you

1777
00:54:21,109 --> 00:54:20,480
don't need to pay me since i already

1778
00:54:23,109 --> 00:54:21,119
work here

1779
00:54:24,549 --> 00:54:23,119
and they're like sure so for me i was

1780
00:54:26,790 --> 00:54:24,559
getting to cover these shows and you

1781
00:54:30,069 --> 00:54:26,800
know play music journalists and

1782
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:30,079
uh yeah so all those years ago i mean

1783
00:54:33,910 --> 00:54:31,760
i was able to meet and interview so many

1784
00:54:36,069 --> 00:54:33,920
of my favorite bands and heroes

1785
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:36,079
ackline trudeau bad religion newfound

1786
00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:37,440
glory blink

1787
00:54:40,630 --> 00:54:40,079
um taking back sunday kind of you know

1788
00:54:42,710 --> 00:54:40,640
warped tour

1789
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:42,720
all those types of bands and that whole

1790
00:54:46,630 --> 00:54:43,920
scene so you know

1791
00:54:47,349 --> 00:54:46,640
i was thinking you know i have so much

1792
00:54:49,430 --> 00:54:47,359
rich

1793
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:49,440
history and quotes from this this time

1794
00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:51,280
period in this music that was always

1795
00:54:56,230 --> 00:54:54,000
really to me a huge integral part of my

1796
00:54:57,829 --> 00:54:56,240
development as a young adult

1797
00:54:59,750 --> 00:54:57,839
i grew up as a 90s kid you know i

1798
00:55:00,390 --> 00:54:59,760
graduated high school in 2000 so it's

1799
00:55:02,230 --> 00:55:00,400
like

1800
00:55:03,910 --> 00:55:02,240
transitioning from high school to you

1801
00:55:05,910 --> 00:55:03,920
know real life and

1802
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:05,920
you know that music play such a a huge

1803
00:55:09,109 --> 00:55:07,040
part for me for

1804
00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:09,119
when i first discovered it in 1997 until

1805
00:55:12,789 --> 00:55:11,280
now so i wanted to write something that

1806
00:55:13,589 --> 00:55:12,799
was kind of like a love letter to that

1807
00:55:16,390 --> 00:55:13,599
scene

1808
00:55:18,069 --> 00:55:16,400
and the book really took on different

1809
00:55:19,910 --> 00:55:18,079
iterations before finally coming up with

1810
00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:19,920
this idea of doing a coffee table book

1811
00:55:23,349 --> 00:55:20,960
something that's quick

1812
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:23,359
referenceable a light read informative

1813
00:55:29,349 --> 00:55:24,400
also would have

1814
00:55:34,069 --> 00:55:29,359
pictures photos essential albums

1815
00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:34,079
viewing guides charts lists etc uh

1816
00:55:37,829 --> 00:55:36,000
and testimonials from people in the

1817
00:55:39,270 --> 00:55:37,839
bands people from behind the scenes

1818
00:55:41,270 --> 00:55:39,280
and then also me kind of telling the

1819
00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:41,280
story and so much of the burka was

1820
00:55:43,750 --> 00:55:42,400
already written because i had all these

1821
00:55:45,270 --> 00:55:43,760
great quotes that i've done through the

1822
00:55:46,710 --> 00:55:45,280
years from all these bands so basically

1823
00:55:48,069 --> 00:55:46,720
just piecing it together

1824
00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:48,079
finding a way to make it work and then

1825
00:55:51,430 --> 00:55:49,760
finding a home first so that's how it

1826
00:55:52,789 --> 00:55:51,440
kind of it really came to be and it

1827
00:55:54,470 --> 00:55:52,799
became more of a reality i think the

1828
00:55:55,349 --> 00:55:54,480
past year when i was because i would

1829
00:55:57,030 --> 00:55:55,359
pitch it

1830
00:55:58,309 --> 00:55:57,040
and it keep getting knocked down you

1831
00:55:59,430 --> 00:55:58,319
know a bunch of people now we don't want

1832
00:56:01,030 --> 00:55:59,440
to do it or

1833
00:56:02,390 --> 00:56:01,040
um the publisher that did it you know

1834
00:56:04,150 --> 00:56:02,400
they put us in my other books and when i

1835
00:56:05,589 --> 00:56:04,160
pitched it as a coffee table

1836
00:56:07,190 --> 00:56:05,599
they have they grew as a company and

1837
00:56:08,630 --> 00:56:07,200
they do children's books and they just

1838
00:56:10,309 --> 00:56:08,640
recently released a guide

1839
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:10,319
it was basically like a bird watching

1840
00:56:13,910 --> 00:56:12,559
guide something like that so it's like

1841
00:56:16,309 --> 00:56:13,920
they're familiar with doing these types

1842
00:56:17,750 --> 00:56:16,319
of books now so they'd really jumped on

1843
00:56:18,870 --> 00:56:17,760
it especially right now i mean this

1844
00:56:21,430 --> 00:56:18,880
music is

1845
00:56:22,789 --> 00:56:21,440
kind of having a comeback you know um my

1846
00:56:23,270 --> 00:56:22,799
chemical romance when they announced

1847
00:56:25,349 --> 00:56:23,280
their

1848
00:56:26,710 --> 00:56:25,359
obviously postponed due to covet but

1849
00:56:29,430 --> 00:56:26,720
they sold out in like an hour

1850
00:56:30,950 --> 00:56:29,440
all around the world which is crazy all

1851
00:56:32,470 --> 00:56:30,960
these cities still have emo nights you

1852
00:56:34,789 --> 00:56:32,480
know so it's like and now you have all

1853
00:56:36,630 --> 00:56:34,799
these mainstream pop stars and rap stars

1854
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:36,640
making pop punk so it's like

1855
00:56:39,349 --> 00:56:38,079
this is a really good time to release

1856
00:56:40,870 --> 00:56:39,359
that i told him like this is a really

1857
00:56:42,549 --> 00:56:40,880
good time to do so and

1858
00:56:44,230 --> 00:56:42,559
right now the books on pre-order comes

1859
00:56:46,549 --> 00:56:44,240
out june 10th officially but right now

1860
00:56:48,549 --> 00:56:46,559
as right now it's still the number one

1861
00:56:50,549 --> 00:56:48,559
new release in music encyclopedias on

1862
00:56:53,589 --> 00:56:50,559
amazon which is blowing my mind

1863
00:56:55,190 --> 00:56:53,599
ah congrats man that's it right because

1864
00:56:57,589 --> 00:56:55,200
you also had a number one

1865
00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:57,599
amazon for stuff like this guys that we

1866
00:57:00,950 --> 00:56:58,640
do so

1867
00:57:02,069 --> 00:57:00,960
yeah absolutely brother it feels good to

1868
00:57:04,230 --> 00:57:02,079
be on the top

1869
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:04,240
it's all downhill from there hey you

1870
00:57:07,910 --> 00:57:05,520
found yourself get that reference

1871
00:57:08,789 --> 00:57:07,920
thank you ah good i know you're about to

1872
00:57:12,069 --> 00:57:08,799
be worried

1873
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:12,079
sorry i am man i remember um

1874
00:57:16,470 --> 00:57:14,400
i went to see newfound glory but they

1875
00:57:18,470 --> 00:57:16,480
actually were opening for blink

1876
00:57:19,750 --> 00:57:18,480
so obviously everyone was there to see

1877
00:57:23,349 --> 00:57:19,760
bling 182.

1878
00:57:26,470 --> 00:57:23,359
but me and my buddies bruce dan dave

1879
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:26,480
and me the the four whitest names you

1880
00:57:30,789 --> 00:57:28,079
could ever possibly think of

1881
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:30,799
in suburban syracuse new york uh we went

1882
00:57:34,789 --> 00:57:32,880
to see blink in newfound glory

1883
00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:34,799
and we were like in the front row and we

1884
00:57:37,990 --> 00:57:36,720
were the only ones singing every lyric

1885
00:57:40,150 --> 00:57:38,000
to nlg

1886
00:57:41,109 --> 00:57:40,160
and they kept looking at us they're like

1887
00:57:44,789 --> 00:57:41,119
whoa

1888
00:57:46,710 --> 00:57:44,799
like coming up and literally like

1889
00:57:48,950 --> 00:57:46,720
singing right in front of us which was

1890
00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:48,960
so cool and then we left before blink

1891
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:50,400
started no i'm just kidding

1892
00:57:54,309 --> 00:57:52,880
we stayed we dude during that concert i

1893
00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:54,319
don't know if you saw that to her you

1894
00:57:58,470 --> 00:57:55,200
probably did

1895
00:57:59,270 --> 00:57:58,480
um but travis like as he was doing his

1896
00:58:03,030 --> 00:57:59,280
solo

1897
00:58:05,349 --> 00:58:03,040
he lowered out of the stage

1898
00:58:06,470 --> 00:58:05,359
like some phantom of the opera [\h__\h] and

1899
00:58:08,870 --> 00:58:06,480
he disappeared

1900
00:58:09,670 --> 00:58:08,880
but the the drum solo kept going the

1901
00:58:12,309 --> 00:58:09,680
whole time

1902
00:58:13,589 --> 00:58:12,319
and then his drum set and him appeared

1903
00:58:15,750 --> 00:58:13,599
in the audience

1904
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:15,760
and then floated back onto the stage it

1905
00:58:18,150 --> 00:58:17,280
was one of the most insane things i've

1906
00:58:19,670 --> 00:58:18,160
ever seen

1907
00:58:21,430 --> 00:58:19,680
yeah the germanizer they did that i'm

1908
00:58:23,829 --> 00:58:21,440
not sure it was that tour or it was

1909
00:58:24,789 --> 00:58:23,839
it may have been pop disaster or green

1910
00:58:26,390 --> 00:58:24,799
day or

1911
00:58:28,150 --> 00:58:26,400
whatever or maybe the reunion tour they

1912
00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:28,160
did that on

1913
00:58:34,230 --> 00:58:31,200
reference is what the big ff sign

1914
00:58:35,750 --> 00:58:34,240
yes flyer yeah that was the

1915
00:58:36,789 --> 00:58:35,760
newfound glory in midtown that was i

1916
00:58:37,589 --> 00:58:36,799
think that maybe one of the first

1917
00:58:40,789 --> 00:58:37,599
concerts i ever

1918
00:58:43,270 --> 00:58:40,799
ever went to oh cool awesome i didn't

1919
00:58:44,630 --> 00:58:43,280
really go to shows in high school

1920
00:58:46,950 --> 00:58:44,640
when i was in college i started going to

1921
00:58:47,750 --> 00:58:46,960
shows but yeah that was that was a good

1922
00:58:50,230 --> 00:58:47,760
tour

1923
00:58:52,069 --> 00:58:50,240
it was awesome um and i don't know if

1924
00:58:53,349 --> 00:58:52,079
i've ever told you this i kind of got my

1925
00:58:55,670 --> 00:58:53,359
journalism start

1926
00:58:56,710 --> 00:58:55,680
um if again i did not go to school for

1927
00:59:00,150 --> 00:58:56,720
journalism but

1928
00:59:00,710 --> 00:59:00,160
i like to pretend um i worked for a site

1929
00:59:03,349 --> 00:59:00,720
called

1930
00:59:04,069 --> 00:59:03,359
alt rock live um where i kind of did the

1931
00:59:07,510 --> 00:59:04,079
same thing

1932
00:59:09,670 --> 00:59:07,520
i um i would do cd reviews i would um

1933
00:59:11,430 --> 00:59:09,680
interview band members and that's kind

1934
00:59:13,109 --> 00:59:11,440
of how i got my start my favorite band

1935
00:59:15,109 --> 00:59:13,119
at the time was amberlynn

1936
00:59:16,710 --> 00:59:15,119
the alt rock band so it made perfect

1937
00:59:18,950 --> 00:59:16,720
sense to interview them

1938
00:59:19,990 --> 00:59:18,960
and uh i got to interview the lead

1939
00:59:22,630 --> 00:59:20,000
singer of the band

1940
00:59:23,990 --> 00:59:22,640
my favorite band so again these

1941
00:59:26,069 --> 00:59:24,000
opportunities you get

1942
00:59:27,430 --> 00:59:26,079
when you're in that space if you're a

1943
00:59:31,109 --> 00:59:27,440
true music fan

1944
00:59:33,430 --> 00:59:31,119
in that genre uh it's indispensable so

1945
00:59:34,230 --> 00:59:33,440
again you're posting photos of you with

1946
00:59:36,789 --> 00:59:34,240
tom delong

1947
00:59:37,510 --> 00:59:36,799
and all these like iconic people in the

1948
00:59:42,630 --> 00:59:37,520
punk movement

1949
00:59:44,710 --> 00:59:42,640
you can feel the love in the book

1950
00:59:45,990 --> 00:59:44,720
um the one that you gave me the the

1951
00:59:48,309 --> 00:59:46,000
advanced version

1952
00:59:50,069 --> 00:59:48,319
of like you said it's a love letter and

1953
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:50,079
it's a moment in time

1954
00:59:53,430 --> 00:59:52,319
that a lot of us remember but a lot of

1955
00:59:55,990 --> 00:59:53,440
people don't even

1956
00:59:57,670 --> 00:59:56,000
really talk about so i i think it's

1957
00:59:59,270 --> 00:59:57,680
awesome that it's coming out now

1958
01:00:01,589 --> 00:59:59,280
like you said i think it's kind of

1959
01:00:04,549 --> 01:00:01,599
coming back the whole movement

1960
01:00:05,750 --> 01:00:04,559
um so i'm excited man but i guess to

1961
01:00:09,589 --> 01:00:05,760
kind of play off of that

1962
01:00:11,990 --> 01:00:09,599
um tell us about the the photos

1963
01:00:12,870 --> 01:00:12,000
and the uh the illustrations in the book

1964
01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:12,880
they were so

1965
01:00:16,230 --> 01:00:14,640
cool tell us a little about the artist

1966
01:00:18,470 --> 01:00:16,240
and how that all came about

1967
01:00:20,150 --> 01:00:18,480
thank you so the photos i took them i

1968
01:00:21,030 --> 01:00:20,160
dabble i'm not i don't consider myself a

1969
01:00:23,270 --> 01:00:21,040
photographer but

1970
01:00:24,470 --> 01:00:23,280
you know i took photo journalism 101 and

1971
01:00:25,030 --> 01:00:24,480
i used to shoot my own shows with the

1972
01:00:26,549 --> 01:00:25,040
chronicle

1973
01:00:28,630 --> 01:00:26,559
the associated press once used one of my

1974
01:00:30,230 --> 01:00:28,640
photos as i kind of blew my mind

1975
01:00:31,270 --> 01:00:30,240
so i know how to take a picture but i'm

1976
01:00:32,789 --> 01:00:31,280
not i don't consider myself a

1977
01:00:33,589 --> 01:00:32,799
photographer so i just kind of use some

1978
01:00:35,510 --> 01:00:33,599
of my old photos

1979
01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:35,520
in the that i bought would work well in

1980
01:00:40,069 --> 01:00:37,920
the book but the artwork is really

1981
01:00:41,030 --> 01:00:40,079
really a rad selling point my opinion

1982
01:00:42,870 --> 01:00:41,040
and uh

1983
01:00:44,870 --> 01:00:42,880
so for years i wanted to work with this

1984
01:00:46,630 --> 01:00:44,880
artist her name is uh cassie pottish and

1985
01:00:48,870 --> 01:00:46,640
she does a lot of great

1986
01:00:50,870 --> 01:00:48,880
uh t-shirt designs for bands she does

1987
01:00:52,950 --> 01:00:50,880
some 41 she did a less than jake and she

1988
01:00:54,710 --> 01:00:52,960
designed census fails logo

1989
01:00:56,069 --> 01:00:54,720
um so she's worked with a ton of ton

1990
01:00:57,270 --> 01:00:56,079
more bands i just those are the ones i

1991
01:00:58,950 --> 01:00:57,280
name off top of my head because they're

1992
01:01:01,589 --> 01:00:58,960
kind of like the biggest ones

1993
01:01:02,069 --> 01:01:01,599
um but i wanted to work for um when i

1994
01:01:04,309 --> 01:01:02,079
did my

1995
01:01:05,910 --> 01:01:04,319
i wrote a young adult fiction book a few

1996
01:01:07,670 --> 01:01:05,920
years ago and i wanted her to do the

1997
01:01:09,910 --> 01:01:07,680
cover and it just didn't work out

1998
01:01:11,430 --> 01:01:09,920
so when this project became a reality i

1999
01:01:12,710 --> 01:01:11,440
was like she has to do the cover and she

2000
01:01:14,230 --> 01:01:12,720
has through the art in the book

2001
01:01:15,829 --> 01:01:14,240
and as soon as i i linked up with her

2002
01:01:17,670 --> 01:01:15,839
like she was totally down and

2003
01:01:18,950 --> 01:01:17,680
uh yeah it's awesome because i really

2004
01:01:21,109 --> 01:01:18,960
think her style

2005
01:01:22,230 --> 01:01:21,119
her style of art is so distinct and i

2006
01:01:22,710 --> 01:01:22,240
think when people see it they're gonna

2007
01:01:23,910 --> 01:01:22,720
know

2008
01:01:26,549 --> 01:01:23,920
and it really brings together that

2009
01:01:28,309 --> 01:01:26,559
aesthetic of like a a band

2010
01:01:29,670 --> 01:01:28,319
book and stuff so yeah her arts is

2011
01:01:33,030 --> 01:01:29,680
really cool it's just really

2012
01:01:34,230 --> 01:01:33,040
she really has her own style yeah

2013
01:01:35,270 --> 01:01:34,240
one thing she did in the book which was

2014
01:01:36,829 --> 01:01:35,280
really cool we came up with her

2015
01:01:40,069 --> 01:01:36,839
recreating

2016
01:01:42,710 --> 01:01:40,079
iconic albums in her style

2017
01:01:44,069 --> 01:01:42,720
so the my chemical romance uh sweet you

2018
01:01:44,470 --> 01:01:44,079
know three cheers covered but instead of

2019
01:01:48,470 --> 01:01:44,480
two

2020
01:01:49,829 --> 01:01:48,480
the weezer the blue album it's just a

2021
01:01:50,390 --> 01:01:49,839
weezer but they're all skeletons because

2022
01:01:52,870 --> 01:01:50,400
she's just

2023
01:01:53,990 --> 01:01:52,880
a really cool skeletal style so yeah i

2024
01:01:54,950 --> 01:01:54,000
thought that was a really fun thing for

2025
01:01:57,750 --> 01:01:54,960
her to do in the book

2026
01:02:01,029 --> 01:01:57,760
rather just you know hey do you do a

2027
01:02:03,109 --> 01:02:01,039
skull man with a guitar you know like

2028
01:02:05,510 --> 01:02:03,119
yeah it was super cool the american

2029
01:02:07,670 --> 01:02:05,520
idiot one two really popped out to me

2030
01:02:08,630 --> 01:02:07,680
again like i was a product of this

2031
01:02:10,950 --> 01:02:08,640
generation

2032
01:02:12,710 --> 01:02:10,960
in this genre of music so you know

2033
01:02:14,549 --> 01:02:12,720
anyone who's listening or watching right

2034
01:02:16,309 --> 01:02:14,559
now who wasn't really a part of it

2035
01:02:18,230 --> 01:02:16,319
i totally understand this might be a

2036
01:02:19,750 --> 01:02:18,240
little alienating but there's always

2037
01:02:21,750 --> 01:02:19,760
something i think we can take

2038
01:02:23,349 --> 01:02:21,760
from certain genres of music like you

2039
01:02:26,390 --> 01:02:23,359
said rock and roll

2040
01:02:26,710 --> 01:02:26,400
and rap and they all come from this sort

2041
01:02:30,150 --> 01:02:26,720
of

2042
01:02:32,630 --> 01:02:30,160
um cultural thing that uh

2043
01:02:34,309 --> 01:02:32,640
has a message that they want to convey

2044
01:02:35,910 --> 01:02:34,319
out there and get it out there

2045
01:02:37,349 --> 01:02:35,920
and there's a reason people like you and

2046
01:02:39,109 --> 01:02:37,359
i really reson

2047
01:02:41,190 --> 01:02:39,119
like this kind of music resonated with

2048
01:02:41,910 --> 01:02:41,200
us where maybe it doesn't for someone

2049
01:02:44,870 --> 01:02:41,920
else but

2050
01:02:45,589 --> 01:02:44,880
what do you think it was about pop punk

2051
01:02:48,630 --> 01:02:45,599
punk

2052
01:02:50,470 --> 01:02:48,640
emo that really made you want to follow

2053
01:02:51,029 --> 01:02:50,480
that course that was like your kind of

2054
01:02:53,750 --> 01:02:51,039
music

2055
01:02:55,589 --> 01:02:53,760
you're tatted up i'm the same way like

2056
01:02:58,630 --> 01:02:55,599
we're all about the style

2057
01:02:59,670 --> 01:02:58,640
of this sort of music and um it meant a

2058
01:03:01,829 --> 01:02:59,680
lot to me man

2059
01:03:03,029 --> 01:03:01,839
and seeing this book brought back so

2060
01:03:05,589 --> 01:03:03,039
many memories

2061
01:03:07,589 --> 01:03:05,599
of like what was so yeah what is it

2062
01:03:08,230 --> 01:03:07,599
about this genre or these genres i

2063
01:03:10,230 --> 01:03:08,240
should say

2064
01:03:11,510 --> 01:03:10,240
that really stuck with you well thank

2065
01:03:14,390 --> 01:03:11,520
you for saying that because

2066
01:03:15,829 --> 01:03:14,400
nostalgia is definitely a provoking

2067
01:03:17,510 --> 01:03:15,839
nostalgia is definitely part of the book

2068
01:03:18,069 --> 01:03:17,520
but it's also for people who are new to

2069
01:03:20,230 --> 01:03:18,079
it

2070
01:03:21,670 --> 01:03:20,240
is to kind of you know teach them the

2071
01:03:23,670 --> 01:03:21,680
roots you know the roots of where these

2072
01:03:25,430 --> 01:03:23,680
bands came from and so forth so

2073
01:03:27,670 --> 01:03:25,440
it's part nostalgia it's also part

2074
01:03:29,510 --> 01:03:27,680
educational that's why it's like a guide

2075
01:03:30,710 --> 01:03:29,520
right it's not it's not like a 500 page

2076
01:03:32,150 --> 01:03:30,720
book it's more like something you could

2077
01:03:33,510 --> 01:03:32,160
pick up on the coffee table and

2078
01:03:35,190 --> 01:03:33,520
you know learn about you know the roots

2079
01:03:35,990 --> 01:03:35,200
of some of the these newer bands and so

2080
01:03:39,109 --> 01:03:36,000
forth

2081
01:03:40,710 --> 01:03:39,119
but um yeah the style music resonated

2082
01:03:42,069 --> 01:03:40,720
with me

2083
01:03:43,750 --> 01:03:42,079
like i don't know what it was maybe it

2084
01:03:44,390 --> 01:03:43,760
was the underdog element i don't know

2085
01:03:47,670 --> 01:03:44,400
but

2086
01:03:48,870 --> 01:03:47,680
in the so i'm originally from new york

2087
01:03:50,309 --> 01:03:48,880
too like that's another thing we have in

2088
01:03:51,510 --> 01:03:50,319
common and then when we moved from new

2089
01:03:53,670 --> 01:03:51,520
york we moved to

2090
01:03:55,510 --> 01:03:53,680
pennsylvania a little town for like

2091
01:03:56,630 --> 01:03:55,520
maybe a year or half a year

2092
01:03:58,950 --> 01:03:56,640
and i didn't know anyone i was kind of

2093
01:03:59,349 --> 01:03:58,960
like an outcast there and i had one

2094
01:04:01,029 --> 01:03:59,359
friend

2095
01:04:02,390 --> 01:04:01,039
there the whole time and uh we played

2096
01:04:03,589 --> 01:04:02,400
dungeons and dragons together like we

2097
01:04:05,910 --> 01:04:03,599
were really nerdy

2098
01:04:07,430 --> 01:04:05,920
and when i was moving to texas he gave

2099
01:04:09,670 --> 01:04:07,440
me like some cds

2100
01:04:11,910 --> 01:04:09,680
and it was like get up kids juliana

2101
01:04:13,270 --> 01:04:11,920
theory like straight up old school emo

2102
01:04:15,910 --> 01:04:13,280
and then like blink cheshire

2103
01:04:17,190 --> 01:04:15,920
cat and i listened to them and something

2104
01:04:21,029 --> 01:04:17,200
kind of

2105
01:04:21,990 --> 01:04:21,039
and then you know a couple years later

2106
01:04:23,829 --> 01:04:22,000
1997

2107
01:04:25,270 --> 01:04:23,839
and this stuff starts coming out more

2108
01:04:26,950 --> 01:04:25,280
and it starts blowing up and

2109
01:04:29,029 --> 01:04:26,960
you know i love i'm a product of you

2110
01:04:30,870 --> 01:04:29,039
know 90s music i love 90s hip-hop

2111
01:04:32,789 --> 01:04:30,880
90s alternative rock and a lot of the

2112
01:04:34,789 --> 01:04:32,799
punk rock and sky music was becoming

2113
01:04:37,510 --> 01:04:34,799
popular then too i mean i loved

2114
01:04:37,910 --> 01:04:37,520
you know first time i heard like no

2115
01:04:41,270 --> 01:04:37,920
doubt

2116
01:04:42,069 --> 01:04:41,280
and um my boss tones and stuff you know

2117
01:04:44,069 --> 01:04:42,079
on the radio

2118
01:04:45,990 --> 01:04:44,079
that was huge because it was you listen

2119
01:04:48,150 --> 01:04:46,000
to them side by side with like

2120
01:04:49,829 --> 01:04:48,160
you know pearl jam and third eye blind

2121
01:04:51,510 --> 01:04:49,839
and stuff as well so

2122
01:04:52,870 --> 01:04:51,520
that was a really good time for me

2123
01:04:54,549 --> 01:04:52,880
personally you know developing when i

2124
01:04:54,950 --> 01:04:54,559
felt like it you know i was an outsider

2125
01:04:56,470 --> 01:04:54,960
and

2126
01:04:57,990 --> 01:04:56,480
i heard blinking two dude ranch for the

2127
01:04:58,390 --> 01:04:58,000
first time and that kind of blew my mind

2128
01:04:59,829 --> 01:04:58,400
that's

2129
01:05:02,230 --> 01:04:59,839
to this day my favorite album of all

2130
01:05:03,990 --> 01:05:02,240
time so that really kind of

2131
01:05:05,510 --> 01:05:04,000
you know got me interested in that style

2132
01:05:06,950 --> 01:05:05,520
of music and then you learn more about

2133
01:05:09,270 --> 01:05:06,960
you know the cultures of subcultures

2134
01:05:09,670 --> 01:05:09,280
what it all means and as well so you

2135
01:05:11,270 --> 01:05:09,680
know

2136
01:05:13,430 --> 01:05:11,280
that kind of carries into the booms of

2137
01:05:15,829 --> 01:05:13,440
the early 2000s uh

2138
01:05:17,750 --> 01:05:15,839
um it really was like i said we can go

2139
01:05:19,430 --> 01:05:17,760
back to 1994 too when green day and the

2140
01:05:21,270 --> 01:05:19,440
offspring hit it big too

2141
01:05:22,710 --> 01:05:21,280
you know it really didn't stop but 97 it

2142
01:05:23,589 --> 01:05:22,720
kind of reignited a little bit and then

2143
01:05:26,470 --> 01:05:23,599
99 it

2144
01:05:27,270 --> 01:05:26,480
really blew up again from 99 until about

2145
01:05:28,630 --> 01:05:27,280
2000

2146
01:05:30,630 --> 01:05:28,640
i mean depending on who you asked you

2147
01:05:32,150 --> 01:05:30,640
know 2000 families

2148
01:05:33,750 --> 01:05:32,160
as well so yeah for me it was always

2149
01:05:34,390 --> 01:05:33,760
kind of you know and in the book i kind

2150
01:05:35,829 --> 01:05:34,400
of met

2151
01:05:37,670 --> 01:05:35,839
i have you know a few theories about why

2152
01:05:40,230 --> 01:05:37,680
i resonated with so many people

2153
01:05:42,230 --> 01:05:40,240
at certain times as well and i think you

2154
01:05:43,270 --> 01:05:42,240
could really draw parallels now

2155
01:05:44,950 --> 01:05:43,280
to then you know one of the things i

2156
01:05:46,870 --> 01:05:44,960
talked about was how the youth was

2157
01:05:48,470 --> 01:05:46,880
feeling disenchanted back then

2158
01:05:50,470 --> 01:05:48,480
the iraq war was like a really

2159
01:05:51,750 --> 01:05:50,480
contentious point and the youth really

2160
01:05:52,549 --> 01:05:51,760
didn't have much to kind of you know

2161
01:05:55,029 --> 01:05:52,559
grasp on

2162
01:05:57,349 --> 01:05:55,039
and now i if i'm a youth now i probably

2163
01:05:59,430 --> 01:05:57,359
feel similarly you know if i am a

2164
01:06:00,470 --> 01:05:59,440
a young person of color if i'm a young

2165
01:06:02,789 --> 01:06:00,480
person who's trans

2166
01:06:03,990 --> 01:06:02,799
or or who's gay like there's a lot going

2167
01:06:05,990 --> 01:06:04,000
against you right

2168
01:06:07,990 --> 01:06:06,000
so that style of music is very relatable

2169
01:06:09,430 --> 01:06:08,000
now to the to those kids so

2170
01:06:11,589 --> 01:06:09,440
i definitely can see why it's making a

2171
01:06:12,870 --> 01:06:11,599
comeback you know if you listen to

2172
01:06:14,630 --> 01:06:12,880
you know if you're if you're just

2173
01:06:15,109 --> 01:06:14,640
turning you know you just turned on to

2174
01:06:18,309 --> 01:06:15,119
you know

2175
01:06:19,829 --> 01:06:18,319
this emotive music or this rage field

2176
01:06:22,470 --> 01:06:19,839
punk music or this

2177
01:06:24,230 --> 01:06:22,480
really energetic pop-up music that's you

2178
01:06:25,510 --> 01:06:24,240
know maybe singing about sad themes but

2179
01:06:26,950 --> 01:06:25,520
it's also upbeat

2180
01:06:28,870 --> 01:06:26,960
you know it's it's all these things that

2181
01:06:30,630 --> 01:06:28,880
i kind of see and that's i think

2182
01:06:32,710 --> 01:06:30,640
a tribute to that to come back to you

2183
01:06:34,069 --> 01:06:32,720
you know is that there's

2184
01:06:35,270 --> 01:06:34,079
a lot of young people and other people

2185
01:06:36,630 --> 01:06:35,280
feeling a certain way you know

2186
01:06:37,349 --> 01:06:36,640
especially with stuff that's going on

2187
01:06:38,950 --> 01:06:37,359
around them

2188
01:06:40,309 --> 01:06:38,960
and i think there's no better way to

2189
01:06:41,589 --> 01:06:40,319
rebel than to listen to this type of

2190
01:06:43,510 --> 01:06:41,599
music

2191
01:06:45,670 --> 01:06:43,520
that's such a good point and i think it

2192
01:06:48,309 --> 01:06:45,680
connects us more than it doesn't

2193
01:06:48,710 --> 01:06:48,319
even if like pop punk isn't your thing

2194
01:06:50,950 --> 01:06:48,720
um

2195
01:06:51,750 --> 01:06:50,960
or you come from a different generation

2196
01:06:54,470 --> 01:06:51,760
i remember

2197
01:06:55,430 --> 01:06:54,480
nfg did a virtual conference not too

2198
01:06:57,430 --> 01:06:55,440
long ago

2199
01:06:58,789 --> 01:06:57,440
and i was so excited man i think they

2200
01:07:01,349 --> 01:06:58,799
were doing the whole

2201
01:07:02,309 --> 01:07:01,359
sticks and stones album oh subtitle they

2202
01:07:04,390 --> 01:07:02,319
just sell titles

2203
01:07:06,069 --> 01:07:04,400
oh it was self-titled you're right yep

2204
01:07:06,630 --> 01:07:06,079
yeah it had hit or miss on it and

2205
01:07:09,430 --> 01:07:06,640
everything

2206
01:07:10,549 --> 01:07:09,440
and um i remember being in the chat for

2207
01:07:13,190 --> 01:07:10,559
that virtual

2208
01:07:15,190 --> 01:07:13,200
concert was there too you were you were

2209
01:07:18,630 --> 01:07:15,200
doing the viewing party yeah yeah yeah

2210
01:07:20,309 --> 01:07:18,640
and um i remember seeing all the people

2211
01:07:21,829 --> 01:07:20,319
talking about how old they were

2212
01:07:23,670 --> 01:07:21,839
and like oh my god this brings back so

2213
01:07:24,549 --> 01:07:23,680
many memories and what was really cool

2214
01:07:26,789 --> 01:07:24,559
is like

2215
01:07:27,910 --> 01:07:26,799
i was in there i remember when the south

2216
01:07:29,829 --> 01:07:27,920
self-title

2217
01:07:31,349 --> 01:07:29,839
album came out and then there were

2218
01:07:34,150 --> 01:07:31,359
people like 10

2219
01:07:34,950 --> 01:07:34,160
to 12 to 15 years younger than me being

2220
01:07:37,589 --> 01:07:34,960
like this is

2221
01:07:40,069 --> 01:07:37,599
like my first time hearing it and that

2222
01:07:41,990 --> 01:07:40,079
was that was it for me like i felt old

2223
01:07:43,589 --> 01:07:42,000
going into that virtual conference but

2224
01:07:45,510 --> 01:07:43,599
it came out on the other side being like

2225
01:07:46,710 --> 01:07:45,520
this music still speaks to people's

2226
01:07:48,630 --> 01:07:46,720
people still

2227
01:07:50,069 --> 01:07:48,640
like it and love it and want to hear it

2228
01:07:52,069 --> 01:07:50,079
even if they're new to the

2229
01:07:53,670 --> 01:07:52,079
the genre so i think it was a beautiful

2230
01:07:56,950 --> 01:07:53,680
kind of communion

2231
01:07:57,910 --> 01:07:56,960
that shows that you know even if it's

2232
01:08:01,990 --> 01:07:57,920
not

2233
01:08:04,069 --> 01:08:02,000
can all come together somewhere

2234
01:08:05,829 --> 01:08:04,079
no matter what generation you come to

2235
01:08:08,150 --> 01:08:05,839
and appreciate it i think this

2236
01:08:10,470 --> 01:08:08,160
genre of music is underappreciated

2237
01:08:11,190 --> 01:08:10,480
because it's considered pop punk and a

2238
01:08:13,430 --> 01:08:11,200
lot of the

2239
01:08:14,470 --> 01:08:13,440
you know the og's kind of looked down on

2240
01:08:17,189 --> 01:08:14,480
it um

2241
01:08:17,749 --> 01:08:17,199
when you know something like green day

2242
01:08:21,349 --> 01:08:17,759
went

2243
01:08:22,709 --> 01:08:21,359
um

2244
01:08:24,390 --> 01:08:22,719
so yeah what do you think of that whole

2245
01:08:24,789 --> 01:08:24,400
aspect of all this i know you touch on

2246
01:08:27,590 --> 01:08:24,799
it

2247
01:08:28,309 --> 01:08:27,600
in the book of going from like super old

2248
01:08:30,470 --> 01:08:28,319
school

2249
01:08:32,630 --> 01:08:30,480
uh green day project ivy i believe it

2250
01:08:36,470 --> 01:08:32,640
was

2251
01:08:38,630 --> 01:08:36,480
some sort of military term

2252
01:08:40,470 --> 01:08:38,640
um what do you make of stuff like that

2253
01:08:41,430 --> 01:08:40,480
these transitions of bands going from

2254
01:08:45,189 --> 01:08:41,440
like super

2255
01:08:45,749 --> 01:08:45,199
hardcore or punk to a more pop punk sort

2256
01:08:47,910 --> 01:08:45,759
of feel

2257
01:08:49,590 --> 01:08:47,920
well i think it's like when people get

2258
01:08:50,789 --> 01:08:49,600
into pop punk it's like it's a weird you

2259
01:08:52,870 --> 01:08:50,799
know it's your gateway drug

2260
01:08:53,990 --> 01:08:52,880
into all the other because punk is just

2261
01:08:55,590 --> 01:08:54,000
like an umbrella there's all these

2262
01:08:56,630 --> 01:08:55,600
little subgenres that hang under it so

2263
01:08:58,630 --> 01:08:56,640
it's like

2264
01:09:00,630 --> 01:08:58,640
i think for me it was pop punk and then

2265
01:09:02,470 --> 01:09:00,640
it was old school punk like dead

2266
01:09:04,309 --> 01:09:02,480
kennedys and like bad religion

2267
01:09:05,829 --> 01:09:04,319
and then like the california stuff like

2268
01:09:07,510 --> 01:09:05,839
bad religion descendants no effects and

2269
01:09:08,870 --> 01:09:07,520
then it's like emo and then

2270
01:09:10,390 --> 01:09:08,880
you people go through their hardcore

2271
01:09:11,990 --> 01:09:10,400
phase and then you go through your post

2272
01:09:13,030 --> 01:09:12,000
hardcore phase and you go through your

2273
01:09:14,390 --> 01:09:13,040
engine drop phase

2274
01:09:16,229 --> 01:09:14,400
then you go back to pop punk again it's

2275
01:09:17,910 --> 01:09:16,239
just like your thing

2276
01:09:19,590 --> 01:09:17,920
but uh i think a lot of things you're

2277
01:09:21,030 --> 01:09:19,600
saying was just really telling about how

2278
01:09:22,709 --> 01:09:21,040
you know you're still able to connect to

2279
01:09:24,470 --> 01:09:22,719
music it makes you feel old but it's

2280
01:09:26,309 --> 01:09:24,480
like the nostalgia element of it like

2281
01:09:27,510 --> 01:09:26,319
i think every time like you know you'll

2282
01:09:28,950 --> 01:09:27,520
see the band's like oh 20 year

2283
01:09:30,149 --> 01:09:28,960
anniversary of this record and it's just

2284
01:09:32,789 --> 01:09:30,159
mind-blowing to think

2285
01:09:33,590 --> 01:09:32,799
because it feels like that i was sitting

2286
01:09:39,510 --> 01:09:33,600
in my

2287
01:09:41,349 --> 01:09:39,520
so in 2000 i was renting a townhouse it

2288
01:09:42,550 --> 01:09:41,359
was me and my roommate for my mom my mom

2289
01:09:43,829 --> 01:09:42,560
moved out we were running the townhouse

2290
01:09:45,510 --> 01:09:43,839
from her penguin

2291
01:09:47,189 --> 01:09:45,520
i was working 40 hours a week at a

2292
01:09:48,789 --> 01:09:47,199
restaurant while going to community

2293
01:09:49,590 --> 01:09:48,799
college and i just remember my free time

2294
01:09:51,110 --> 01:09:49,600
i would sit

2295
01:09:52,870 --> 01:09:51,120
in my room right behind me was like all

2296
01:09:55,430 --> 01:09:52,880
these like posters and band stickers

2297
01:09:57,669 --> 01:09:55,440
and i'd be on aol you know and then i

2298
01:09:59,669 --> 01:09:57,679
had napster up downloading music

2299
01:10:01,030 --> 01:09:59,679
and then like i'd be going to shows and

2300
01:10:03,030 --> 01:10:01,040
concerts and like that was like the

2301
01:10:04,550 --> 01:10:03,040
coolest time so like

2302
01:10:06,390 --> 01:10:04,560
it's cool to kind of revisit that you

2303
01:10:07,830 --> 01:10:06,400
know and it's it's it's really telling

2304
01:10:10,310 --> 01:10:07,840
that you know

2305
01:10:10,870 --> 01:10:10,320
that this music really never went away

2306
01:10:12,310 --> 01:10:10,880
um

2307
01:10:13,590 --> 01:10:12,320
you know this whole time it's all these

2308
01:10:14,950 --> 01:10:13,600
bands existed they all toured they all

2309
01:10:16,950 --> 01:10:14,960
put out records

2310
01:10:18,709 --> 01:10:16,960
um you know the boom just kind of died a

2311
01:10:20,310 --> 01:10:18,719
little bit you know in terms of but

2312
01:10:21,990 --> 01:10:20,320
you could argue in general that a lot of

2313
01:10:22,870 --> 01:10:22,000
rock music kind of died a little bit in

2314
01:10:25,350 --> 01:10:22,880
the mainstream

2315
01:10:26,790 --> 01:10:25,360
for a while so it's just interesting to

2316
01:10:28,149 --> 01:10:26,800
me that it's

2317
01:10:29,750 --> 01:10:28,159
kind of making a comeback now in the

2318
01:10:30,950 --> 01:10:29,760
weirdest ways you know through hip-hop

2319
01:10:34,310 --> 01:10:30,960
and pop stars and

2320
01:10:37,110 --> 01:10:34,320
i was listening to the uh olivia olivia

2321
01:10:38,149 --> 01:10:37,120
rodrigo album the other day and there's

2322
01:10:39,189 --> 01:10:38,159
like a song there that sounds like

2323
01:10:40,310 --> 01:10:39,199
paramore

2324
01:10:42,229 --> 01:10:40,320
and i was like whoa this is like it's

2325
01:10:43,430 --> 01:10:42,239
not like song and the first song sounds

2326
01:10:45,430 --> 01:10:43,440
like kind of like

2327
01:10:46,950 --> 01:10:45,440
a 90s alternative rock so it's pretty

2328
01:10:48,550 --> 01:10:46,960
cool that's seeing like pop artists and

2329
01:10:50,070 --> 01:10:48,560
hip hop artists

2330
01:10:51,430 --> 01:10:50,080
kind of i don't know i mean there's this

2331
01:10:52,790 --> 01:10:51,440
part of you that's also like you know

2332
01:10:54,390 --> 01:10:52,800
the gatekeepers saying

2333
01:10:56,310 --> 01:10:54,400
who are you make this music but it's

2334
01:10:58,550 --> 01:10:56,320
like hey if you know

2335
01:11:00,070 --> 01:10:58,560
if if kids discover if kids listen to

2336
01:11:01,830 --> 01:11:00,080
machine gun kelly and then go back and

2337
01:11:03,910 --> 01:11:01,840
retroactively listen to

2338
01:11:05,110 --> 01:11:03,920
newfound glory or you know screeching

2339
01:11:08,229 --> 01:11:05,120
weasel or

2340
01:11:10,470 --> 01:11:08,239
descendants or you know some 41 or

2341
01:11:11,350 --> 01:11:10,480
good charlotte whatever you know cool so

2342
01:11:13,430 --> 01:11:11,360
me

2343
01:11:14,630 --> 01:11:13,440
yeah that's such a good point too and

2344
01:11:16,229 --> 01:11:14,640
i'm glad you brought up

2345
01:11:18,229 --> 01:11:16,239
machine gun kelly because i remember

2346
01:11:20,229 --> 01:11:18,239
when he was working with um

2347
01:11:21,669 --> 01:11:20,239
was it travis travis parker that was

2348
01:11:23,830 --> 01:11:21,679
producer's record

2349
01:11:25,510 --> 01:11:23,840
okay um you know and they had that cool

2350
01:11:28,950 --> 01:11:25,520
alien song that they did

2351
01:11:30,070 --> 01:11:28,960
and it was like a super progressive drum

2352
01:11:31,510 --> 01:11:30,080
beat throughout the whole thing

2353
01:11:33,590 --> 01:11:31,520
which really brought me back to like the

2354
01:11:34,790 --> 01:11:33,600
early punk days and um someone like

2355
01:11:36,310 --> 01:11:34,800
machine gun kelly

2356
01:11:38,470 --> 01:11:36,320
i was the same way when he first came

2357
01:11:38,870 --> 01:11:38,480
out with like all this sort of punk or

2358
01:11:40,870 --> 01:11:38,880
pop

2359
01:11:42,070 --> 01:11:40,880
punk songs i'm like who is this idiot i

2360
01:11:44,390 --> 01:11:42,080
thought he was like a hip-hop

2361
01:11:45,590 --> 01:11:44,400
artist but you're right you gotta step

2362
01:11:47,750 --> 01:11:45,600
back and be like

2363
01:11:48,709 --> 01:11:47,760
let them like explore these things

2364
01:11:49,990 --> 01:11:48,719
because then they'll gain an

2365
01:11:51,990 --> 01:11:50,000
appreciation for it

2366
01:11:53,350 --> 01:11:52,000
and i really respected something machine

2367
01:11:54,790 --> 01:11:53,360
gun kelly said even though i don't

2368
01:11:56,550 --> 01:11:54,800
listen to his music really

2369
01:11:58,390 --> 01:11:56,560
i respect something he said in an

2370
01:11:58,950 --> 01:11:58,400
interview maybe with rolling stone where

2371
01:12:03,030 --> 01:11:58,960
he

2372
01:12:05,990 --> 01:12:03,040
myself

2373
01:12:07,830 --> 01:12:06,000
and my listeners so that you know maybe

2374
01:12:09,189 --> 01:12:07,840
i do have a rap album maybe i do have a

2375
01:12:11,510 --> 01:12:09,199
pop punk album

2376
01:12:13,430 --> 01:12:11,520
and that's what we should be doing like

2377
01:12:14,950 --> 01:12:13,440
it should be a constant evolution

2378
01:12:17,510 --> 01:12:14,960
because if i'm just putting out the same

2379
01:12:19,189 --> 01:12:17,520
style every time what's the point

2380
01:12:20,790 --> 01:12:19,199
so i think he made some really good

2381
01:12:23,510 --> 01:12:20,800
points in that in as well

2382
01:12:23,990 --> 01:12:23,520
that like you can as a musician or an

2383
01:12:27,510 --> 01:12:24,000
artist

2384
01:12:29,110 --> 01:12:27,520
grow and change and if those people who

2385
01:12:31,430 --> 01:12:29,120
truly respect your work

2386
01:12:33,189 --> 01:12:31,440
uh support you they'll they'll go along

2387
01:12:34,070 --> 01:12:33,199
for the ride so i think that's pretty

2388
01:12:35,830 --> 01:12:34,080
interesting

2389
01:12:37,430 --> 01:12:35,840
yeah there's a lot more genre blending

2390
01:12:39,030 --> 01:12:37,440
in mainstream it's music in general

2391
01:12:40,470 --> 01:12:39,040
nowadays i mean look at post malone

2392
01:12:42,229 --> 01:12:40,480
right from the start they were like

2393
01:12:43,590 --> 01:12:42,239
is he rap enough what is he doing

2394
01:12:44,790 --> 01:12:43,600
playing guitar he's singing too much

2395
01:12:45,990 --> 01:12:44,800
like he's not hip-hop

2396
01:12:47,750 --> 01:12:46,000
but like right from the start you know

2397
01:12:49,669 --> 01:12:47,760
there's a lot in the mainstream you see

2398
01:12:51,590 --> 01:12:49,679
a lot of genre blending and even in like

2399
01:12:52,950 --> 01:12:51,600
punk rock stuff you know it's you go

2400
01:12:54,470 --> 01:12:52,960
back to the clash

2401
01:12:55,669 --> 01:12:54,480
and the damned and they were genre blind

2402
01:12:56,149 --> 01:12:55,679
they were one of the first punk rock

2403
01:12:58,390 --> 01:12:56,159
bands

2404
01:12:59,990 --> 01:12:58,400
to define us they were genre blending

2405
01:13:02,310 --> 01:13:00,000
you know the clash had reggae

2406
01:13:03,270 --> 01:13:02,320
reggae themes they had slower songs the

2407
01:13:05,910 --> 01:13:03,280
damned had like

2408
01:13:07,910 --> 01:13:05,920
slower pianos and as well then you had

2409
01:13:10,070 --> 01:13:07,920
bands like fugazi who just totally took

2410
01:13:11,669 --> 01:13:10,080
the scene and kind of turned on its head

2411
01:13:12,790 --> 01:13:11,679
as well so it's it's really cool to even

2412
01:13:14,790 --> 01:13:12,800
look back and say hey

2413
01:13:17,110 --> 01:13:14,800
some of these like og punk rock bands

2414
01:13:18,229 --> 01:13:17,120
were genre blending them too so it's

2415
01:13:20,950 --> 01:13:18,239
interesting

2416
01:13:22,470 --> 01:13:20,960
um and i think a lot of fans can tell

2417
01:13:22,950 --> 01:13:22,480
who's being authentic about it and who's

2418
01:13:25,750 --> 01:13:22,960
not

2419
01:13:27,270 --> 01:13:25,760
um as well so i think yeah i think

2420
01:13:28,149 --> 01:13:27,280
that's uh it's up to people to decide

2421
01:13:31,830 --> 01:13:28,159
you know

2422
01:13:33,830 --> 01:13:31,840
who's really in it for the music

2423
01:13:35,030 --> 01:13:33,840
who's in it for that i get it brother

2424
01:13:36,790 --> 01:13:35,040
yeah oh well

2425
01:13:38,470 --> 01:13:36,800
yeah and post malone i'm so glad you

2426
01:13:39,030 --> 01:13:38,480
brought it up we got him in our world

2427
01:13:41,510 --> 01:13:39,040
now

2428
01:13:43,590 --> 01:13:41,520
visiting the skinwalker branch the

2429
01:13:46,870 --> 01:13:43,600
dude's seen ufos so

2430
01:13:51,030 --> 01:13:46,880
maybe he'll have his own uh ufo show

2431
01:13:54,390 --> 01:13:52,550
stealing money stealing food right out

2432
01:13:56,070 --> 01:13:54,400
of our mouths

2433
01:13:58,229 --> 01:13:56,080
and i was one of those people who

2434
01:13:59,270 --> 01:13:58,239
complained when i first heard about it

2435
01:14:01,270 --> 01:13:59,280
and i've since

2436
01:14:03,030 --> 01:14:01,280
tempered that because you know again i

2437
01:14:05,990 --> 01:14:03,040
think it's really important for

2438
01:14:07,189 --> 01:14:06,000
celebrities to um help these subjects

2439
01:14:09,350 --> 01:14:07,199
get out there

2440
01:14:10,790 --> 01:14:09,360
um you know there's a lot of pros and

2441
01:14:12,229 --> 01:14:10,800
cons on either end where do you

2442
01:14:14,070 --> 01:14:12,239
where do you land on that whole thing

2443
01:14:15,669 --> 01:14:14,080
are you excited for this dummy lovato

2444
01:14:17,189 --> 01:14:15,679
show or what do you think is going to

2445
01:14:18,470 --> 01:14:17,199
happen i mean i i

2446
01:14:19,910 --> 01:14:18,480
get it i get what you're saying too

2447
01:14:21,189 --> 01:14:19,920
because i feel the same way there's it's

2448
01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:21,199
definitely a double ear sword because

2449
01:14:23,750 --> 01:14:22,560
it's like i was complaining about it

2450
01:14:25,189 --> 01:14:23,760
and so my friends were kind of like

2451
01:14:26,870 --> 01:14:25,199
picking at me on it it's like dude you

2452
01:14:30,229 --> 01:14:26,880
understand like

2453
01:14:31,669 --> 01:14:30,239
i you know myself and others you know

2454
01:14:33,110 --> 01:14:31,679
have interviewed for these shows and

2455
01:14:34,229 --> 01:14:33,120
we've been told oh yeah you're the one

2456
01:14:35,189 --> 01:14:34,239
and then the shows never happened the

2457
01:14:37,750 --> 01:14:35,199
next thing you know

2458
01:14:39,430 --> 01:14:37,760
the show comes out with the guy from

2459
01:14:41,110 --> 01:14:39,440
with uh what's his face uh the guy from

2460
01:14:42,950 --> 01:14:41,120
who plays spock and star trek starring

2461
01:14:43,910 --> 01:14:42,960
you right right they don't need the

2462
01:14:45,350 --> 01:14:43,920
money and great

2463
01:14:47,590 --> 01:14:45,360
yes they may bring more exposure but

2464
01:14:49,110 --> 01:14:47,600
they can do that other ways demi lovato

2465
01:14:50,630 --> 01:14:49,120
just tweeting about ufos is going to

2466
01:14:52,470 --> 01:14:50,640
bring um

2467
01:14:53,750 --> 01:14:52,480
you know just is going to bring us new

2468
01:14:54,950 --> 01:14:53,760
eyes to the subject so

2469
01:14:56,630 --> 01:14:54,960
there is you know there's the old

2470
01:14:57,189 --> 01:14:56,640
gatekeeper part you know where you're

2471
01:14:58,709 --> 01:14:57,199
like

2472
01:15:00,229 --> 01:14:58,719
they shouldn't be doing this but you get

2473
01:15:00,870 --> 01:15:00,239
it too oh yeah they're gonna bring new

2474
01:15:02,310 --> 01:15:00,880
eyes but

2475
01:15:03,669 --> 01:15:02,320
you know like you know i think about i

2476
01:15:04,709 --> 01:15:03,679
don't just think about myself but i

2477
01:15:06,310 --> 01:15:04,719
think about other people who've

2478
01:15:08,550 --> 01:15:06,320
interviewed for these shows too like

2479
01:15:09,350 --> 01:15:08,560
like i you're someone who your industry

2480
01:15:12,390 --> 01:15:09,360
was hit

2481
01:15:14,310 --> 01:15:12,400
heavily this past year um heavily

2482
01:15:15,750 --> 01:15:14,320
and i you know i can't imagine you know

2483
01:15:16,470 --> 01:15:15,760
having to try to make ends meet during

2484
01:15:18,229 --> 01:15:16,480
all that

2485
01:15:19,590 --> 01:15:18,239
and you're potentially up for a show and

2486
01:15:20,870 --> 01:15:19,600
you lose out to that show

2487
01:15:23,110 --> 01:15:20,880
that could potentially be life-changing

2488
01:15:24,870 --> 01:15:23,120
to a millionaire like that's where like

2489
01:15:25,510 --> 01:15:24,880
i kind of like get defensive about that

2490
01:15:27,510 --> 01:15:25,520
type of stuff

2491
01:15:28,630 --> 01:15:27,520
but and it's not like you know demi

2492
01:15:30,070 --> 01:15:28,640
lovato or they're

2493
01:15:32,229 --> 01:15:30,080
not doing it on purpose they have no

2494
01:15:33,669 --> 01:15:32,239
idea probably that you know that there's

2495
01:15:36,070 --> 01:15:33,679
better

2496
01:15:37,830 --> 01:15:36,080
quality researchers to do their show but

2497
01:15:39,189 --> 01:15:37,840
you look at it on the production side

2498
01:15:40,630 --> 01:15:39,199
there's oh well this may

2499
01:15:43,030 --> 01:15:40,640
get a lot of ratings because it's you

2500
01:15:45,990 --> 01:15:43,040
know william shatner or demi lovato or

2501
01:15:47,189 --> 01:15:46,000
uh zachary quinto that's his name yeah

2502
01:15:48,950 --> 01:15:47,199
there's definitely a few thoughts

2503
01:15:51,270 --> 01:15:48,960
i get it but you know i think we can't

2504
01:15:52,630 --> 01:15:51,280
feel at least a little spider especially

2505
01:15:55,510 --> 01:15:52,640
when it's like

2506
01:15:56,470 --> 01:15:55,520
i mean i can really use that money yeah

2507
01:15:58,950 --> 01:15:56,480
absolutely man

2508
01:15:59,910 --> 01:15:58,960
and i said on the show point blank like

2509
01:16:02,790 --> 01:15:59,920
i know

2510
01:16:04,630 --> 01:16:02,800
that you and i were up for things like

2511
01:16:06,550 --> 01:16:04,640
the zachary quino show or

2512
01:16:08,229 --> 01:16:06,560
i i know for a fact i was up for the

2513
01:16:11,270 --> 01:16:08,239
demi lovato project

2514
01:16:13,590 --> 01:16:11,280
so it's that bitter side of us um

2515
01:16:15,030 --> 01:16:13,600
but again i think you're so right and i

2516
01:16:16,790 --> 01:16:15,040
actually spoke to

2517
01:16:18,709 --> 01:16:16,800
one of the people that demi lovato

2518
01:16:21,830 --> 01:16:18,719
interviewed for her upcoming show

2519
01:16:23,830 --> 01:16:21,840
and they told me she's no joke man like

2520
01:16:25,350 --> 01:16:23,840
holy crap she knows what she's doing and

2521
01:16:27,590 --> 01:16:25,360
she knows the history

2522
01:16:29,430 --> 01:16:27,600
so that's again it's it's even going

2523
01:16:29,830 --> 01:16:29,440
back to the tom delonge days when people

2524
01:16:31,990 --> 01:16:29,840
are like

2525
01:16:34,470 --> 01:16:32,000
he's a rock star stay in your lane but

2526
01:16:36,310 --> 01:16:34,480
then you listen to him talk about ufos

2527
01:16:38,070 --> 01:16:36,320
not on joe rogan but let's just forget

2528
01:16:40,550 --> 01:16:38,080
that ever happened you hear him talk

2529
01:16:43,669 --> 01:16:40,560
about ufos and you're like whoa

2530
01:16:46,310 --> 01:16:43,679
like he's pulling out stuff like these

2531
01:16:47,990 --> 01:16:46,320
deep cuts from books that like you never

2532
01:16:51,110 --> 01:16:48,000
would have expected he would read

2533
01:16:52,870 --> 01:16:51,120
so yeah i i have hope um i know she'll

2534
01:16:53,910 --> 01:16:52,880
do a good job with it i hope she does a

2535
01:16:56,950 --> 01:16:53,920
good job with it

2536
01:16:59,030 --> 01:16:56,960
um but let's circle back to the book um

2537
01:17:00,070 --> 01:16:59,040
i know we always it finds its way back

2538
01:17:03,590 --> 01:17:00,080
to ufos

2539
01:17:05,590 --> 01:17:03,600
but um what is some of your uh

2540
01:17:07,750 --> 01:17:05,600
your favorite interviews that you did

2541
01:17:10,149 --> 01:17:07,760
for the book again this isn't just like

2542
01:17:11,510 --> 01:17:10,159
your thoughts on the genre you were out

2543
01:17:13,350 --> 01:17:11,520
there interviewing these people

2544
01:17:14,550 --> 01:17:13,360
as they were living it and as you were

2545
01:17:16,310 --> 01:17:14,560
living it too

2546
01:17:17,669 --> 01:17:16,320
so yeah what interviews really stuck out

2547
01:17:19,030 --> 01:17:17,679
to you so

2548
01:17:21,350 --> 01:17:19,040
in the back of my some of the later

2549
01:17:22,229 --> 01:17:21,360
interviews i did i was planning to do a

2550
01:17:23,510 --> 01:17:22,239
book eventually

2551
01:17:24,630 --> 01:17:23,520
this was kind of towards when i was like

2552
01:17:25,910 --> 01:17:24,640
you know what i'm investing into a book

2553
01:17:27,830 --> 01:17:25,920
so some of the interviews

2554
01:17:28,950 --> 01:17:27,840
it's usually when you interview a band

2555
01:17:31,430 --> 01:17:28,960
you know your your

2556
01:17:31,990 --> 01:17:31,440
questions are geared towards a certain

2557
01:17:33,910 --> 01:17:32,000
um

2558
01:17:35,669 --> 01:17:33,920
angle of the story sometimes it's okay

2559
01:17:37,430 --> 01:17:35,679
to break out you know ask a fanboy this

2560
01:17:39,030 --> 01:17:37,440
question or whatever

2561
01:17:39,910 --> 01:17:39,040
but so for me i kind of was like you

2562
01:17:41,270 --> 01:17:39,920
know what i'm gonna do this book

2563
01:17:42,550 --> 01:17:41,280
sometimes i want to ask some questions

2564
01:17:45,510 --> 01:17:42,560
about that time period

2565
01:17:46,870 --> 01:17:45,520
so one of the a few experiences that

2566
01:17:49,350 --> 01:17:46,880
really stood out

2567
01:17:51,030 --> 01:17:49,360
i covered the last x games in austin

2568
01:17:53,510 --> 01:17:51,040
this was probably

2569
01:17:54,950 --> 01:17:53,520
that many years ago this was but um i

2570
01:17:56,149 --> 01:17:54,960
think i was was i sold the chronicle at

2571
01:17:56,709 --> 01:17:56,159
the time i think i was still working

2572
01:17:58,229 --> 01:17:56,719
there but

2573
01:17:59,830 --> 01:17:58,239
no i wasn't i think i still have my

2574
01:18:03,510 --> 01:17:59,840
music blog for them

2575
01:18:04,630 --> 01:18:03,520
and um x games was being headlined by

2576
01:18:06,390 --> 01:18:04,640
blink

2577
01:18:07,830 --> 01:18:06,400
and i mean if everyone knows x games it

2578
01:18:09,350 --> 01:18:07,840
goes basically it goes

2579
01:18:10,870 --> 01:18:09,360
action sports and punk rockville's kind

2580
01:18:13,990 --> 01:18:10,880
of got hand to hand

2581
01:18:15,510 --> 01:18:14,000
and um yeah so blink was headlining it

2582
01:18:16,870 --> 01:18:15,520
so for me this is like perfect to cover

2583
01:18:18,310 --> 01:18:16,880
it i was able to get coverage because i

2584
01:18:20,229 --> 01:18:18,320
covered exams before

2585
01:18:21,590 --> 01:18:20,239
for the chronicle for um for my blog on

2586
01:18:22,790 --> 01:18:21,600
them or for their website just for

2587
01:18:24,310 --> 01:18:22,800
crown.com

2588
01:18:26,229 --> 01:18:24,320
i covered it with kanye west headlined

2589
01:18:28,390 --> 01:18:26,239
one year so

2590
01:18:29,510 --> 01:18:28,400
yeah so blink was headlining it and i

2591
01:18:31,430 --> 01:18:29,520
basically found out like

2592
01:18:33,110 --> 01:18:31,440
the day before that i got approved to

2593
01:18:34,870 --> 01:18:33,120
interview them at the show and i've

2594
01:18:35,910 --> 01:18:34,880
interviewed blink before a very common

2595
01:18:37,830 --> 01:18:35,920
person

2596
01:18:39,510 --> 01:18:37,840
um tom and mark over the phone travels

2597
01:18:43,110 --> 01:18:39,520
over the phone but never

2598
01:18:45,030 --> 01:18:43,120
um mark matt and travis at the same time

2599
01:18:46,790 --> 01:18:45,040
so that was pretty cool i think that day

2600
01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:46,800
was just myself and disney were the only

2601
01:18:50,070 --> 01:18:48,400
people who really interviewed them

2602
01:18:51,430 --> 01:18:50,080
so that was really rather i got to sit

2603
01:18:53,030 --> 01:18:51,440
on the couch with them and interview

2604
01:18:55,270 --> 01:18:53,040
them and one of the quotes i got from

2605
01:18:57,189 --> 01:18:55,280
mark a couple questions i asked was kind

2606
01:18:58,790 --> 01:18:57,199
of about growing up in that scene

2607
01:19:00,390 --> 01:18:58,800
and uh i think it was a really good

2608
01:19:00,790 --> 01:19:00,400
quote about that's when all those bands

2609
01:19:02,390 --> 01:19:00,800
kind of

2610
01:19:03,510 --> 01:19:02,400
coalesce and all of them found their

2611
01:19:04,709 --> 01:19:03,520
footing was during that time and how

2612
01:19:06,070 --> 01:19:04,719
they have great

2613
01:19:08,149 --> 01:19:06,080
uh memories from that time period so

2614
01:19:09,430 --> 01:19:08,159
that was a really cool uh pull to pull

2615
01:19:09,990 --> 01:19:09,440
excess from that interview to put in the

2616
01:19:13,110 --> 01:19:10,000
book

2617
01:19:13,990 --> 01:19:13,120
and then also um there's a part in the

2618
01:19:16,630 --> 01:19:14,000
back of the book

2619
01:19:18,950 --> 01:19:16,640
where i got to shadow a friend of mine

2620
01:19:21,189 --> 01:19:18,960
who's the descendant's tour manager

2621
01:19:22,630 --> 01:19:21,199
um and i got to interview all the

2622
01:19:24,870 --> 01:19:22,640
descendants

2623
01:19:25,910 --> 01:19:24,880
uh basically about you know not just

2624
01:19:27,990 --> 01:19:25,920
about pop punk because i

2625
01:19:29,590 --> 01:19:28,000
interview milo and he said he has great

2626
01:19:30,390 --> 01:19:29,600
quotes in the book about the evolution

2627
01:19:32,229 --> 01:19:30,400
of pop punk

2628
01:19:34,070 --> 01:19:32,239
and punk rock in general and he he you

2629
01:19:37,350 --> 01:19:34,080
know he's one of those older boulders

2630
01:19:38,709 --> 01:19:37,360
fans and he never saw it as you know

2631
01:19:40,470 --> 01:19:38,719
who are these newer bands you know he

2632
01:19:41,990 --> 01:19:40,480
always saw that he always thought that

2633
01:19:43,830 --> 01:19:42,000
descendants were the evolution of

2634
01:19:44,790 --> 01:19:43,840
buzzcocks and ramones and green day and

2635
01:19:45,990 --> 01:19:44,800
blink were the evolution of the

2636
01:19:46,870 --> 01:19:46,000
descendants so i thought that was a

2637
01:19:49,110 --> 01:19:46,880
really cool quote

2638
01:19:50,790 --> 01:19:49,120
to have in there as well as to have milo

2639
01:19:52,390 --> 01:19:50,800
ackerman who's a legend in punk rock to

2640
01:19:54,070 --> 01:19:52,400
basically give the approval of the

2641
01:19:55,510 --> 01:19:54,080
evolution of the genre

2642
01:19:56,550 --> 01:19:55,520
but just that experience kind of

2643
01:19:57,910 --> 01:19:56,560
shadowing hanging out with the

2644
01:20:00,550 --> 01:19:57,920
descendants for a day

2645
01:20:02,070 --> 01:20:00,560
i was really cool because i i met their

2646
01:20:03,830 --> 01:20:02,080
tour manager jeff

2647
01:20:05,510 --> 01:20:03,840
when i interviewed milo of the

2648
01:20:08,470 --> 01:20:05,520
descendants at a festival

2649
01:20:09,590 --> 01:20:08,480
outside of austin and when i i showed up

2650
01:20:10,709 --> 01:20:09,600
for the interview

2651
01:20:12,709 --> 01:20:10,719
you know usually communicate through the

2652
01:20:14,470 --> 01:20:12,719
tour manager and i noticed the

2653
01:20:15,910 --> 01:20:14,480
tour manager's cell phone was a houston

2654
01:20:17,430 --> 01:20:15,920
area code and i'm like hey

2655
01:20:19,110 --> 01:20:17,440
are you from houston and he was and like

2656
01:20:19,510 --> 01:20:19,120
long story short we would end up going

2657
01:20:20,870 --> 01:20:19,520
to the

2658
01:20:22,870 --> 01:20:20,880
same high school together different

2659
01:20:25,030 --> 01:20:22,880
years growing up in the same part of

2660
01:20:26,470 --> 01:20:25,040
town and we just became friends

2661
01:20:27,910 --> 01:20:26,480
so to this day he's a good friend of

2662
01:20:29,270 --> 01:20:27,920
mine but i remember saying hey you think

2663
01:20:31,510 --> 01:20:29,280
it'd be cool if i like

2664
01:20:32,870 --> 01:20:31,520
a dude did like a day in the life he's

2665
01:20:33,590 --> 01:20:32,880
like yeah absolutely so i did like a day

2666
01:20:35,270 --> 01:20:33,600
in the life

2667
01:20:36,790 --> 01:20:35,280
um for the chronicle and i included that

2668
01:20:37,830 --> 01:20:36,800
in the book so that was a really cool

2669
01:20:40,550 --> 01:20:37,840
thing to see what like

2670
01:20:42,149 --> 01:20:40,560
a tour manager's day in the life is so

2671
01:20:43,350 --> 01:20:42,159
that was a really fun thing to include

2672
01:20:45,750 --> 01:20:43,360
as well

2673
01:20:47,350 --> 01:20:45,760
that's so cool yeah and i think tour

2674
01:20:49,990 --> 01:20:47,360
managers are highly

2675
01:20:51,270 --> 01:20:50,000
uh underrated and underappreciated it is

2676
01:20:53,110 --> 01:20:51,280
a thankless job

2677
01:20:54,550 --> 01:20:53,120
it's like the same on broadway we have

2678
01:20:56,229 --> 01:20:54,560
stage managers

2679
01:20:57,830 --> 01:20:56,239
and um people don't really know what

2680
01:20:58,709 --> 01:20:57,840
these people do but they are literally

2681
01:21:00,950 --> 01:20:58,719
the god

2682
01:21:02,229 --> 01:21:00,960
of a broadway play so when you go to see

2683
01:21:05,430 --> 01:21:02,239
the show you think like

2684
01:21:08,149 --> 01:21:05,440
it all just happens and uh boom show

2685
01:21:08,709 --> 01:21:08,159
over but you got this one person maybe

2686
01:21:11,270 --> 01:21:08,719
two

2687
01:21:12,950 --> 01:21:11,280
um and they are literally calling every

2688
01:21:15,110 --> 01:21:12,960
single light cue that you see

2689
01:21:17,110 --> 01:21:15,120
which can be in the thousands for a

2690
01:21:19,669 --> 01:21:17,120
production every sound queue

2691
01:21:21,430 --> 01:21:19,679
every entrance of an actor um they're on

2692
01:21:22,629 --> 01:21:21,440
headsets making sure that actor is in

2693
01:21:24,870 --> 01:21:22,639
the costume they need

2694
01:21:26,390 --> 01:21:24,880
to run out on stage and do this and

2695
01:21:28,629 --> 01:21:26,400
meanwhile they're doing a thousand

2696
01:21:29,830 --> 01:21:28,639
other things as well so someone like a

2697
01:21:31,750 --> 01:21:29,840
tour manager

2698
01:21:33,189 --> 01:21:31,760
i can't even imagine what a day in the

2699
01:21:34,070 --> 01:21:33,199
life would look like and i'm sure it

2700
01:21:36,149 --> 01:21:34,080
changes

2701
01:21:37,110 --> 01:21:36,159
on a day-to-day basis too especially in

2702
01:21:40,070 --> 01:21:37,120
the pop punk

2703
01:21:42,470 --> 01:21:40,080
or punk scene like i'm sure he was

2704
01:21:44,390 --> 01:21:42,480
dealing with some crazy stuff

2705
01:21:46,709 --> 01:21:44,400
for sure well yeah because he went from

2706
01:21:48,070 --> 01:21:46,719
you know youtube tour matters phoenix tx

2707
01:21:48,629 --> 01:21:48,080
so you have a bunch of young kids who

2708
01:21:50,310 --> 01:21:48,639
were

2709
01:21:51,990 --> 01:21:50,320
you know touring with mxpx and blink all

2710
01:21:54,709 --> 01:21:52,000
around the world and now eve

2711
01:21:56,149 --> 01:21:54,719
descendants were all obviously older so

2712
01:21:56,950 --> 01:21:56,159
it's a different type of babysitting

2713
01:21:58,950 --> 01:21:56,960
it's like

2714
01:22:00,709 --> 01:21:58,960
he has to wake them up and get them

2715
01:22:02,070 --> 01:22:00,719
coffee rather as opposed to like

2716
01:22:03,430 --> 01:22:02,080
you know if it's a younger band hey

2717
01:22:04,070 --> 01:22:03,440
don't drink too much you know that's

2718
01:22:06,550 --> 01:22:04,080
like

2719
01:22:08,229 --> 01:22:06,560
it's just really cool to see all

2720
01:22:08,790 --> 01:22:08,239
different hats that tour manager orders

2721
01:22:09,830 --> 01:22:08,800
and

2722
01:22:11,910 --> 01:22:09,840
you know like you said like a stage

2723
01:22:14,149 --> 01:22:11,920
manager there's so much responsibility

2724
01:22:15,510 --> 01:22:14,159
when you go to a concert or a play or so

2725
01:22:16,790 --> 01:22:15,520
much stuff goes on behind the scenes a

2726
01:22:18,149 --> 01:22:16,800
lot of people don't realize

2727
01:22:19,910 --> 01:22:18,159
it's not just fun and games it's like

2728
01:22:21,669 --> 01:22:19,920
it's legit work

2729
01:22:23,669 --> 01:22:21,679
yeah yeah there's so much goes into

2730
01:22:24,950 --> 01:22:23,679
every concert again it's not the band

2731
01:22:27,030 --> 01:22:24,960
just showing up

2732
01:22:28,950 --> 01:22:27,040
plugging in their guitar to the amp and

2733
01:22:29,590 --> 01:22:28,960
playing like yeah it's it's it's

2734
01:22:31,510 --> 01:22:29,600
interesting

2735
01:22:33,510 --> 01:22:31,520
um well i got two last questions for you

2736
01:22:36,470 --> 01:22:33,520
mike if you have time

2737
01:22:38,390 --> 01:22:36,480
cool cool um the first one is uh we and

2738
01:22:40,550 --> 01:22:38,400
we kind of talked about this celebrity

2739
01:22:42,870 --> 01:22:40,560
wise or television wise but um

2740
01:22:45,430 --> 01:22:42,880
the idea and you cover this this is kind

2741
01:22:47,830 --> 01:22:45,440
of the reason for punk rock and ufos

2742
01:22:49,430 --> 01:22:47,840
um you have a niche community that is

2743
01:22:50,790 --> 01:22:49,440
punk you have a niche community that is

2744
01:22:53,910 --> 01:22:50,800
the ufo community

2745
01:22:55,830 --> 01:22:53,920
and um moving to the mainstream which is

2746
01:22:58,790 --> 01:22:55,840
what pop punk eventually became

2747
01:22:59,189 --> 01:22:58,800
and now we're feeling that in the ufo

2748
01:23:01,990 --> 01:22:59,199
world

2749
01:23:02,950 --> 01:23:02,000
we are now going mainstream now more

2750
01:23:04,629 --> 01:23:02,960
than ever and

2751
01:23:06,070 --> 01:23:04,639
you know we talked about getting drowned

2752
01:23:07,189 --> 01:23:06,080
out by celebrities when it comes to

2753
01:23:09,590 --> 01:23:07,199
television stuff

2754
01:23:11,270 --> 01:23:09,600
but overall when it comes to like the

2755
01:23:12,550 --> 01:23:11,280
information getting out to the public

2756
01:23:14,950 --> 01:23:12,560
like 60 minutes

2757
01:23:17,430 --> 01:23:14,960
the new yorker all these incredible

2758
01:23:20,390 --> 01:23:17,440
things that have come out recently um

2759
01:23:21,910 --> 01:23:20,400
what do you make of ufos finally and

2760
01:23:22,870 --> 01:23:21,920
we've said this in the past ufos are

2761
01:23:26,390 --> 01:23:22,880
going mainstream

2762
01:23:26,870 --> 01:23:26,400
but now we can actually like visualize

2763
01:23:30,950 --> 01:23:26,880
it

2764
01:23:31,910 --> 01:23:30,960
about ufos going mainstream is this good

2765
01:23:34,149 --> 01:23:31,920
is this bad

2766
01:23:35,750 --> 01:23:34,159
should be worried or uh yeah what do you

2767
01:23:37,750 --> 01:23:35,760
what are your thoughts on that

2768
01:23:38,950 --> 01:23:37,760
it's funny i think you know i said this

2769
01:23:40,149 --> 01:23:38,960
i've kind of been on your show so many

2770
01:23:42,070 --> 01:23:40,159
times i think i said this every time

2771
01:23:44,709 --> 01:23:42,080
that we are living in the golden age

2772
01:23:45,590 --> 01:23:44,719
of ufos and it's just crazy to me that

2773
01:23:47,350 --> 01:23:45,600
you know

2774
01:23:48,950 --> 01:23:47,360
like the 60 minutes piece where there

2775
01:23:50,709 --> 01:23:48,960
was like something new in there you know

2776
01:23:53,830 --> 01:23:50,719
the new person came forward

2777
01:23:55,030 --> 01:23:53,840
but just having that not rehashed which

2778
01:23:56,629 --> 01:23:55,040
is having that story retold on that

2779
01:23:58,149 --> 01:23:56,639
platform is huge

2780
01:23:59,669 --> 01:23:58,159
absolutely huge the 60 minutes thing and

2781
01:24:01,510 --> 01:23:59,679
then the new yorker piece

2782
01:24:02,870 --> 01:24:01,520
once again nothing new in there you know

2783
01:24:03,830 --> 01:24:02,880
groundbreaking but god it covers

2784
01:24:06,709 --> 01:24:03,840
everything

2785
01:24:07,669 --> 01:24:06,719
um i was on um uh what's his faces show

2786
01:24:09,510 --> 01:24:07,679
uh

2787
01:24:11,669 --> 01:24:09,520
recently what was it a few weeks ago i

2788
01:24:14,070 --> 01:24:11,679
was on uh sean rash a citizen

2789
01:24:15,510 --> 01:24:14,080
witness citizen show and one of the

2790
01:24:17,110 --> 01:24:15,520
questions he asked me was if anyone is

2791
01:24:17,750 --> 01:24:17,120
new to ufos which book would you direct

2792
01:24:20,709 --> 01:24:17,760
them to

2793
01:24:21,830 --> 01:24:20,719
new yorker article first because it is

2794
01:24:24,310 --> 01:24:21,840
like a book

2795
01:24:26,070 --> 01:24:24,320
it really does catch you up to speed

2796
01:24:28,070 --> 01:24:26,080
with most of the mainstream

2797
01:24:29,910 --> 01:24:28,080
uh ufo cases you know the past hundred

2798
01:24:30,390 --> 01:24:29,920
years or so so yeah i think that's just

2799
01:24:31,750 --> 01:24:30,400
huge

2800
01:24:33,750 --> 01:24:31,760
and it's it's a good thing and there's a

2801
01:24:34,629 --> 01:24:33,760
lot of older researchers i see every day

2802
01:24:36,790 --> 01:24:34,639
just kind of

2803
01:24:38,470 --> 01:24:36,800
crap on everything and it's just like

2804
01:24:39,830 --> 01:24:38,480
you know deciding it's not even worth it

2805
01:24:42,070 --> 01:24:39,840
arguing with them because it's like

2806
01:24:44,149 --> 01:24:42,080
they're really looking like they're

2807
01:24:45,669 --> 01:24:44,159
being left behind and they're kind of

2808
01:24:46,709 --> 01:24:45,679
sour about it and it's like how can you

2809
01:24:48,149 --> 01:24:46,719
not look at everything that's going like

2810
01:24:51,110 --> 01:24:48,159
do you want this to happen or not

2811
01:24:52,390 --> 01:24:51,120
you know um and you know like i said i

2812
01:24:54,070 --> 01:24:52,400
don't want to name names like i see it

2813
01:24:55,990 --> 01:24:54,080
every day and i just kind of

2814
01:24:57,669 --> 01:24:56,000
cringe at it so just like dude like what

2815
01:24:59,189 --> 01:24:57,679
do you what do you want at this point

2816
01:25:01,030 --> 01:24:59,199
like nothing is good enough like do you

2817
01:25:02,229 --> 01:25:01,040
want this to happen

2818
01:25:03,830 --> 01:25:02,239
so yeah i think ufo's going to

2819
01:25:04,470 --> 01:25:03,840
mainstream is great i mean i think it it

2820
01:25:06,550 --> 01:25:04,480
helps us

2821
01:25:09,910 --> 01:25:06,560
for sure um you know ufo researchers

2822
01:25:14,149 --> 01:25:11,669
yeah that's a good point my uh downloads

2823
01:25:16,070 --> 01:25:14,159
and my twitter followers have definitely

2824
01:25:18,229 --> 01:25:16,080
gone up since all this stuff's happened

2825
01:25:21,510 --> 01:25:18,239
so we have to thank the uh

2826
01:25:22,790 --> 01:25:21,520
alex dietrich for that the navy pilot

2827
01:25:24,709 --> 01:25:22,800
yeah but just in general i mean i think

2828
01:25:27,750 --> 01:25:24,719
it's you know ultimately

2829
01:25:30,310 --> 01:25:27,760
when everyone throw is there some quote

2830
01:25:31,830 --> 01:25:30,320
i think when everyone

2831
01:25:33,350 --> 01:25:31,840
when everyone's successful everyone eats

2832
01:25:34,550 --> 01:25:33,360
or something something kind of like that

2833
01:25:37,110 --> 01:25:34,560
i think they kind of

2834
01:25:38,070 --> 01:25:37,120
definitely will trickle down you know to

2835
01:25:39,590 --> 01:25:38,080
yeah you know just

2836
01:25:41,270 --> 01:25:39,600
if washington post links to one of our

2837
01:25:43,189 --> 01:25:41,280
websites you know danny sula's blog has

2838
01:25:44,709 --> 01:25:43,199
been linked in like daily

2839
01:25:46,149 --> 01:25:44,719
daily mail link to one of his stories i

2840
01:25:47,350 --> 01:25:46,159
mean that that's big you know it's big

2841
01:25:48,390 --> 01:25:47,360
for smaller

2842
01:25:50,070 --> 01:25:48,400
you know sites and stuff and

2843
01:25:51,110 --> 01:25:50,080
non-mainstream sites to have that so i

2844
01:25:52,709 --> 01:25:51,120
think you know

2845
01:25:53,990 --> 01:25:52,719
that brings more eyes to us and more

2846
01:25:55,430 --> 01:25:54,000
eyes to the phenomenon in general that i

2847
01:25:56,390 --> 01:25:55,440
think that's great and it's

2848
01:25:58,950 --> 01:25:56,400
yeah i think it's great because that

2849
01:26:00,790 --> 01:25:58,960
people know hey i know this person's new

2850
01:26:02,550 --> 01:26:00,800
ufos talk to him and you know

2851
01:26:05,030 --> 01:26:02,560
then we start getting sources come to us

2852
01:26:07,590 --> 01:26:05,040
now and stuff so i think i think that's

2853
01:26:09,270 --> 01:26:07,600
it's only beneficial in the long run

2854
01:26:11,750 --> 01:26:09,280
you're right and also some of these

2855
01:26:13,510 --> 01:26:11,760
mainstream outlets are are coming to us

2856
01:26:14,950 --> 01:26:13,520
for information you know something like

2857
01:26:18,070 --> 01:26:14,960
uh gotti schwartz

2858
01:26:19,110 --> 01:26:18,080
over at uh nbc or um stephen greenstreet

2859
01:26:21,590 --> 01:26:19,120
at new york post

2860
01:26:23,350 --> 01:26:21,600
like these are guys who are like not

2861
01:26:25,910 --> 01:26:23,360
only coming to us to find out what's

2862
01:26:29,350 --> 01:26:25,920
going on in the ufo world but like

2863
01:26:30,310 --> 01:26:29,360
like actually helping us and linking to

2864
01:26:32,149 --> 01:26:30,320
things and being like

2865
01:26:33,590 --> 01:26:32,159
go check out this person's work so i

2866
01:26:36,310 --> 01:26:33,600
think that's pretty cool too

2867
01:26:37,750 --> 01:26:36,320
when you stream out let's and they don't

2868
01:26:38,629 --> 01:26:37,760
have to do that like i said a lot of

2869
01:26:39,990 --> 01:26:38,639
them are

2870
01:26:42,470 --> 01:26:40,000
not even familiar with us they're just

2871
01:26:43,910 --> 01:26:42,480
doing basically their story based upon

2872
01:26:45,510 --> 01:26:43,920
the sources they have and then maybe

2873
01:26:47,270 --> 01:26:45,520
they'll look up a skeptic to interview

2874
01:26:49,270 --> 01:26:47,280
and you know they'll find nick west or

2875
01:26:50,709 --> 01:26:49,280
whoever and so forth but you know or

2876
01:26:52,470 --> 01:26:50,719
some of them are just digging more to

2877
01:26:53,910 --> 01:26:52,480
say hey who else can i

2878
01:26:55,910 --> 01:26:53,920
who else has a good perspective and me

2879
01:26:57,189 --> 01:26:55,920
or they may look up you know top ufo

2880
01:26:58,629 --> 01:26:57,199
podcast and yours comes up

2881
01:26:59,910 --> 01:26:58,639
you know i mean so like i think some of

2882
01:27:00,709 --> 01:26:59,920
them are really doing their dating

2883
01:27:03,030 --> 01:27:00,719
because they are

2884
01:27:04,070 --> 01:27:03,040
you know they are seeing this you know

2885
01:27:06,470 --> 01:27:04,080
kind of beyond

2886
01:27:07,430 --> 01:27:06,480
just being a movement being a legit

2887
01:27:10,310 --> 01:27:07,440
story

2888
01:27:11,990 --> 01:27:10,320
yeah well um all right adding one more

2889
01:27:13,910 --> 01:27:12,000
question mike i'm sorry brother

2890
01:27:16,149 --> 01:27:13,920
you said mick west this dude was just on

2891
01:27:18,390 --> 01:27:16,159
cnn uh debunking some of the

2892
01:27:19,350 --> 01:27:18,400
the current ufo stuff um what do you

2893
01:27:21,990 --> 01:27:19,360
make of the guy

2894
01:27:23,990 --> 01:27:22,000
i know this is a heated topic he might

2895
01:27:25,910 --> 01:27:24,000
even be watching or listening to this

2896
01:27:27,910 --> 01:27:25,920
so keep that in mind with your answer no

2897
01:27:28,950 --> 01:27:27,920
i'm just kidding be honest be honest um

2898
01:27:31,110 --> 01:27:28,960
what do you think of

2899
01:27:32,790 --> 01:27:31,120
people like mick west who are it seems

2900
01:27:35,189 --> 01:27:32,800
like they're out to kind of spoil

2901
01:27:37,189 --> 01:27:35,199
all of our fun um when in reality they

2902
01:27:38,870 --> 01:27:37,199
might be doing us a good service

2903
01:27:40,550 --> 01:27:38,880
at times as well so yeah what do you

2904
01:27:41,990 --> 01:27:40,560
make of people like mick west

2905
01:27:44,149 --> 01:27:42,000
well first i have to give him mad props

2906
01:27:45,910 --> 01:27:44,159
working on tony hawk pro skater

2907
01:27:47,189 --> 01:27:45,920
hell yeah i did not know he did that

2908
01:27:48,550 --> 01:27:47,199
until i read the new yorker article i

2909
01:27:50,070 --> 01:27:48,560
was like oh man like

2910
01:27:52,470 --> 01:27:50,080
bad respect because that's that video

2911
01:27:53,990 --> 01:27:52,480
game was that that the soundtrack to

2912
01:27:55,030 --> 01:27:54,000
that video game was a gateway drug for a

2913
01:27:57,270 --> 01:27:55,040
lot of kids

2914
01:27:59,350 --> 01:27:57,280
yeah absolutely punk and all that stuff

2915
01:28:00,149 --> 01:27:59,360
so big ups in the quest for doing the

2916
01:28:01,669 --> 01:28:00,159
tony hawk game

2917
01:28:03,189 --> 01:28:01,679
he's one of the greatest video games

2918
01:28:04,550 --> 01:28:03,199
ever um

2919
01:28:06,149 --> 01:28:04,560
but yeah i mean you make a good point

2920
01:28:07,830 --> 01:28:06,159
you know skepticism is needed and we may

2921
01:28:10,070 --> 01:28:07,840
circle back eventually and say wow that

2922
01:28:11,590 --> 01:28:10,080
was kind of needed but

2923
01:28:13,270 --> 01:28:11,600
some of it's just exhausting where it's

2924
01:28:16,709 --> 01:28:13,280
just like and and

2925
01:28:18,149 --> 01:28:16,719
you know good on him that he gets

2926
01:28:19,990 --> 01:28:18,159
these these mainstream people reaching

2927
01:28:21,750 --> 01:28:20,000
out to him as a skeptic because

2928
01:28:23,750 --> 01:28:21,760
some of the art some of the arguments in

2929
01:28:25,110 --> 01:28:23,760
my opinion are just kind of

2930
01:28:26,790 --> 01:28:25,120
i just kind of roll my eyes at you know

2931
01:28:29,669 --> 01:28:26,800
the whole seagull thing and just

2932
01:28:30,790 --> 01:28:29,679
you know but uh it's whatever i mean all

2933
01:28:31,910 --> 01:28:30,800
the opening phrases i think there's

2934
01:28:35,189 --> 01:28:31,920
worse people

2935
01:28:38,310 --> 01:28:35,199
interview

2936
01:28:39,990 --> 01:28:38,320
for than nick west in terms of skeptics

2937
01:28:41,669 --> 01:28:40,000
i think you know

2938
01:28:43,030 --> 01:28:41,679
it's really no one really attacks him

2939
01:28:44,470 --> 01:28:43,040
that much even though some of the things

2940
01:28:45,510 --> 01:28:44,480
he's saying we kind of roll our eyes out

2941
01:28:47,669 --> 01:28:45,520
cause i think he does have some

2942
01:28:50,149 --> 01:28:47,679
credibility from his past

2943
01:28:51,669 --> 01:28:50,159
interesting he's very he's very polite

2944
01:28:53,590 --> 01:28:51,679
too which i think has a lot

2945
01:28:54,870 --> 01:28:53,600
he has that going for him too he's not

2946
01:28:57,110 --> 01:28:54,880
like you're an idiot

2947
01:28:59,110 --> 01:28:57,120
this is what happened he's very um

2948
01:29:01,030 --> 01:28:59,120
meticulous and yeah i agree while i

2949
01:29:01,590 --> 01:29:01,040
don't agree with all of his assessments

2950
01:29:04,629 --> 01:29:01,600
or

2951
01:29:05,830 --> 01:29:04,639
um analyzation of things uh we need

2952
01:29:08,550 --> 01:29:05,840
these people

2953
01:29:10,709 --> 01:29:08,560
we definitely need skeptics in our field

2954
01:29:12,149 --> 01:29:10,719
debunkers is another story

2955
01:29:14,950 --> 01:29:12,159
um when they're not willing to look at

2956
01:29:15,270 --> 01:29:14,960
the facts and uh the data which i don't

2957
01:29:17,510 --> 01:29:15,280
think

2958
01:29:20,709 --> 01:29:17,520
mick has done on some of the stuff he's

2959
01:29:24,229 --> 01:29:20,719
covered um he's not one to

2960
01:29:25,430 --> 01:29:24,239
uh listen or trust pilots or witnesses

2961
01:29:27,990 --> 01:29:25,440
of these events

2962
01:29:29,830 --> 01:29:28,000
which is frustrating but understandable

2963
01:29:31,590 --> 01:29:29,840
too like witness testimonies witness

2964
01:29:34,870 --> 01:29:31,600
testimony you can't prove it

2965
01:29:37,510 --> 01:29:34,880
um or anything like that but um yeah i

2966
01:29:38,229 --> 01:29:37,520
i think it's good to he keeps us on our

2967
01:29:39,910 --> 01:29:38,239
toes

2968
01:29:41,350 --> 01:29:39,920
which i think is important you know

2969
01:29:43,830 --> 01:29:41,360
we're not just you know

2970
01:29:45,189 --> 01:29:43,840
we believe tic tac was alien like no

2971
01:29:46,629 --> 01:29:45,199
let's let's look at all the other

2972
01:29:48,229 --> 01:29:46,639
answers first so

2973
01:29:49,669 --> 01:29:48,239
yeah you know like you said it it's hard

2974
01:29:51,189 --> 01:29:49,679
to stop it's hard to jump down someone's

2975
01:29:52,070 --> 01:29:51,199
throat when they're polite about it i i

2976
01:29:55,590 --> 01:29:52,080
could

2977
01:29:56,709 --> 01:29:55,600
not gonna attack him

2978
01:29:58,390 --> 01:29:56,719
you know because like he said he was

2979
01:29:59,830 --> 01:29:58,400
playing i think there's worse people

2980
01:30:00,149 --> 01:29:59,840
that has this intellectual arrogance

2981
01:30:06,550 --> 01:30:00,159
like

2982
01:30:08,229 --> 01:30:06,560
hurting your credibility at this point

2983
01:30:09,910 --> 01:30:08,239
by just not paying attention to the

2984
01:30:12,229 --> 01:30:09,920
facts at what's there so

2985
01:30:13,830 --> 01:30:12,239
that is such a good point i um yeah i

2986
01:30:14,870 --> 01:30:13,840
feel the same way about people like neil

2987
01:30:16,390 --> 01:30:14,880
as well it's like you haven't even

2988
01:30:17,750 --> 01:30:16,400
looked at any of this dude

2989
01:30:19,990 --> 01:30:17,760
you're just saying what you say for

2990
01:30:22,950 --> 01:30:20,000
every ufo um all right last

2991
01:30:23,350 --> 01:30:22,960
question for you mike um in terms of

2992
01:30:26,390 --> 01:30:23,360
where

2993
01:30:29,350 --> 01:30:26,400
pop punk and emo lays today

2994
01:30:31,030 --> 01:30:29,360
um i know we have the bands of the past

2995
01:30:31,590 --> 01:30:31,040
that we can always have that nostalgia

2996
01:30:33,910 --> 01:30:31,600
with

2997
01:30:35,110 --> 01:30:33,920
but you do have a guide and and whatnot

2998
01:30:36,550 --> 01:30:35,120
in the book as well

2999
01:30:38,870 --> 01:30:36,560
of what people should check out and

3000
01:30:39,590 --> 01:30:38,880
listen to so who should we be looking

3001
01:30:42,709 --> 01:30:39,600
out for

3002
01:30:44,070 --> 01:30:42,719
in 2021 when it comes to kind of the pop

3003
01:30:46,950 --> 01:30:44,080
punk movement or

3004
01:30:48,229 --> 01:30:46,960
emo or alt rock yeah any any bands you

3005
01:30:50,229 --> 01:30:48,239
really want to uh

3006
01:30:51,510 --> 01:30:50,239
turn us towards in terms of that that's

3007
01:30:53,510 --> 01:30:51,520
tough because i'm generally my music

3008
01:30:56,390 --> 01:30:53,520
taste is old man yells at clouds

3009
01:30:57,430 --> 01:30:56,400
you know my friends kind of give you

3010
01:30:58,470 --> 01:30:57,440
hear that too but

3011
01:31:01,189 --> 01:30:58,480
no i mean there's a lot of really good

3012
01:31:01,910 --> 01:31:01,199
rad bands that are kind of throwbacks to

3013
01:31:03,510 --> 01:31:01,920
that error

3014
01:31:05,750 --> 01:31:03,520
um some of the books some of the bands

3015
01:31:08,790 --> 01:31:05,760
mentioned the book front bottoms

3016
01:31:09,990 --> 01:31:08,800
are really good um sincere engineer hot

3017
01:31:12,229 --> 01:31:10,000
mulligan

3018
01:31:14,149 --> 01:31:12,239
uh touche mori which is this really

3019
01:31:15,910 --> 01:31:14,159
amazing hardcore band that

3020
01:31:17,350 --> 01:31:15,920
makes hardcore music sound beautiful if

3021
01:31:19,430 --> 01:31:17,360
that makes any sense

3022
01:31:20,870 --> 01:31:19,440
um so there's a lot of good bands that

3023
01:31:22,470 --> 01:31:20,880
have been kind of around for years that

3024
01:31:24,790 --> 01:31:22,480
aren't necessarily brand new

3025
01:31:26,229 --> 01:31:24,800
but are kind of are the standard bearers

3026
01:31:27,030 --> 01:31:26,239
of that genre like if the warped tour

3027
01:31:30,390 --> 01:31:27,040
would exist

3028
01:31:32,070 --> 01:31:30,400
still exist now they would be like the

3029
01:31:33,669 --> 01:31:32,080
the newfound glories and the yellow

3030
01:31:35,110 --> 01:31:33,679
cards and the rancids of old they would

3031
01:31:36,709 --> 01:31:35,120
be kind of in that position now if the

3032
01:31:38,790 --> 01:31:36,719
warped tour still existed

3033
01:31:40,149 --> 01:31:38,800
so yeah a lot of those types of bands i

3034
01:31:40,950 --> 01:31:40,159
think are doing a really good job and

3035
01:31:42,629 --> 01:31:40,960
then there's

3036
01:31:44,870 --> 01:31:42,639
you know there's new bands i hear every

3037
01:31:45,990 --> 01:31:44,880
day there's a band called talk show host

3038
01:31:50,070 --> 01:31:46,000
out of canada

3039
01:31:51,750 --> 01:31:50,080
really good um and then um who else

3040
01:31:53,750 --> 01:31:51,760
is gonna do their name on specifically

3041
01:31:55,590 --> 01:31:53,760
but i'm drawing blanks but like

3042
01:31:57,590 --> 01:31:55,600
willow smith just did a pop punk song

3043
01:32:00,550 --> 01:31:57,600
like it's just it's crazy like

3044
01:32:01,350 --> 01:32:00,560
interesting okay yeah nice man well

3045
01:32:03,430 --> 01:32:01,360
again

3046
01:32:04,950 --> 01:32:03,440
things to look forward to and to grow to

3047
01:32:07,510 --> 01:32:04,960
love just like we did

3048
01:32:09,270 --> 01:32:07,520
of the bands of the past so i love music

3049
01:32:10,470 --> 01:32:09,280
it's a constant evolution just like

3050
01:32:13,510 --> 01:32:10,480
everything else in the

3051
01:32:16,629 --> 01:32:13,520
art world and the same goes for ufos

3052
01:32:17,990 --> 01:32:16,639
and evolution in that as well so a real

3053
01:32:20,629 --> 01:32:18,000
last question mike

3054
01:32:22,470 --> 01:32:20,639
before we go where can we find the book

3055
01:32:24,790 --> 01:32:22,480
and where can we find everything else

3056
01:32:26,550 --> 01:32:24,800
you're up to brother um everything you

3057
01:32:29,590 --> 01:32:26,560
go to punkrockinefos.com

3058
01:32:31,030 --> 01:32:29,600
um the books stranger than fiction punk

3059
01:32:31,750 --> 01:32:31,040
right here with stranger fiction as well

3060
01:32:34,310 --> 01:32:31,760
as my new book

3061
01:32:35,990 --> 01:32:34,320
a guide to the emo pop punk rise uh you

3062
01:32:38,470 --> 01:32:36,000
know amazon barnes and noble

3063
01:32:40,149 --> 01:32:38,480
as well so yeah um the book's currently

3064
01:32:41,990 --> 01:32:40,159
up for pre-order it'll be out

3065
01:32:43,750 --> 01:32:42,000
june 10th officially so if you pre-order

3066
01:32:45,110 --> 01:32:43,760
it you should be getting it

3067
01:32:46,629 --> 01:32:45,120
now but pre-order now the pre-order

3068
01:32:47,270 --> 01:32:46,639
numbers are looking great and that's

3069
01:32:48,390 --> 01:32:47,280
encouraging

3070
01:32:50,629 --> 01:32:48,400
so thank you for everyone who

3071
01:32:53,350 --> 01:32:50,639
pre-ordered it thank you everyone who's

3072
01:32:55,189 --> 01:32:53,360
listened to me on previous episodes who

3073
01:32:56,550 --> 01:32:55,199
bought stranger than fiction as well who

3074
01:32:58,470 --> 01:32:56,560
supported ryan's book somewhere in the

3075
01:33:00,550 --> 01:32:58,480
skies ryan and i are

3076
01:33:02,070 --> 01:33:00,560
label mates both under uh beyond the

3077
01:33:03,910 --> 01:33:02,080
frame publishing and

3078
01:33:05,030 --> 01:33:03,920
uh which they're doing a great job you

3079
01:33:06,390 --> 01:33:05,040
know i always kind of want to give them

3080
01:33:07,910 --> 01:33:06,400
props like just

3081
01:33:09,750 --> 01:33:07,920
shannon is just always learning and

3082
01:33:11,830 --> 01:33:09,760
evolving how to do new things to promote

3083
01:33:12,950 --> 01:33:11,840
her artists and artists i'm still

3084
01:33:15,110 --> 01:33:12,960
thinking music uh

3085
01:33:16,229 --> 01:33:15,120
her writers and hey we're artists as

3086
01:33:17,910 --> 01:33:16,239
well

3087
01:33:19,590 --> 01:33:17,920
you know just her doing you know like

3088
01:33:20,870 --> 01:33:19,600
the other day i i sent some audio clips

3089
01:33:22,390 --> 01:33:20,880
over to her she made these really cool

3090
01:33:23,750 --> 01:33:22,400
promotional videos and

3091
01:33:25,430 --> 01:33:23,760
my book's a year old at this point

3092
01:33:26,709 --> 01:33:25,440
they're still doing like cool little

3093
01:33:27,910 --> 01:33:26,719
things like that to promote it

3094
01:33:29,750 --> 01:33:27,920
i think that's really cool you know he

3095
01:33:32,709 --> 01:33:29,760
makes you you know makes us

3096
01:33:34,870 --> 01:33:32,719
all part of the same you know goal

3097
01:33:35,990 --> 01:33:34,880
absolutely man my special thanks goes

3098
01:33:38,550 --> 01:33:36,000
out to uh

3099
01:33:40,229 --> 01:33:38,560
to both of our uh people over there at

3100
01:33:42,950 --> 01:33:40,239
it beyond the fray g

3101
01:33:43,910 --> 01:33:42,960
g michael and shannon they're incredible

3102
01:33:46,149 --> 01:33:43,920
and you're right they

3103
01:33:47,430 --> 01:33:46,159
really care about what they're doing so

3104
01:33:49,110 --> 01:33:47,440
i know um

3105
01:33:51,430 --> 01:33:49,120
neither of us are done working with

3106
01:33:52,070 --> 01:33:51,440
beyond the fray there's so much still to

3107
01:33:54,470 --> 01:33:52,080
come

3108
01:33:55,189 --> 01:33:54,480
and brother it's always so good to catch

3109
01:33:57,270 --> 01:33:55,199
up with you

3110
01:33:59,110 --> 01:33:57,280
it's been a long time coming i want to

3111
01:34:01,110 --> 01:33:59,120
congratulate you once again

3112
01:34:03,270 --> 01:34:01,120
on becoming a father please give your

3113
01:34:04,950 --> 01:34:03,280
wife my best as well and

3114
01:34:06,709 --> 01:34:04,960
as always thank you for joining me on

3115
01:34:07,910 --> 01:34:06,719
summer in the skies thank you again ryan

3116
01:34:09,430 --> 01:34:07,920
once again it's always been a pleasure

3117
01:34:11,350 --> 01:34:09,440
and i will end this with every

3118
01:34:11,910 --> 01:34:11,360
conversation we always have i'm still

3119
01:34:14,070 --> 01:34:11,920
waiting

3120
01:34:15,110 --> 01:34:14,080
for someday for you to do the ufo

3121
01:34:17,189 --> 01:34:15,120
broadway play

3122
01:34:18,229 --> 01:34:17,199
it's gotta happen i'm telling you no one

3123
01:34:20,070 --> 01:34:18,239
is better

3124
01:34:21,750 --> 01:34:20,080
suited to it than you and i want even if

3125
01:34:23,430 --> 01:34:21,760
it's just like like the crucible like

3126
01:34:26,550 --> 01:34:23,440
it's just a book that's written in play

3127
01:34:30,550 --> 01:34:28,709
it's coming guys broadway is reopening

3128
01:34:46,070 --> 01:34:30,560
in september be on the lookout

3129
01:35:12,830 --> 01:34:46,080
for rendelsham the musical coming soon

3130
01:35:14,170 --> 01:35:12,840
[Music]

3131
01:35:16,070 --> 01:35:14,180
do

3132
01:35:17,750 --> 01:35:16,080
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